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Reply #15 - 07/23/15 at 17:28:06
 
@Old_Indian:

Can you elaborate on the differences between a "Tribe", a "Federally Recognized Tribe", and Land that is trusted.  My understanding is a Tribe needs to gain the federally recognized status to gain significant benefits as well as to achieve the "Sovereign Nation" status.

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Reply #16 - 07/25/15 at 05:59:10
 
WebsterMark wrote on 07/23/15 at 12:49:16:
i'm of Scottish descent and from what I recollect, the Romans crapped all over us for centuries.


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Reply #17 - 07/25/15 at 07:17:53
 
Some of us don't know history that well. I don't have a clue about that. Any explanations,Why is it thought they did, and ,Hovis, you seem clear in your opinion, I know proving a negative is kinda hard,, but have you got more to add?
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Reply #18 - 07/25/15 at 10:42:36
 
In a nut-shell, the Romans 'tried it on' with the Scottish, but never conquered or ruled Scotland.
They were in conflict (relatively briefly) with the Scottish, but failed.
The Romans built Hadrian's Wall stretching the width of Northern England (and the Antonine wall) as a Northern Border to their Empire, and also to keep the waring tribes out.
The Romans never conquered Ireland, either.

This is all too simply put, but that is the gist of it.

It's more likely that Mark's ancestors were crapped on by the English and the Vikings....
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Reply #19 - 07/25/15 at 13:16:32
 
My step mom was born and raised in Greece. A woman who was from Germany moved in a few houses down. Really, I'm pretty sure that woman had nothing to do with what the Germans did to Greece, but my soap opera watching, vindictive, small minded witch of a step mom Hated that poor woman, just because of where she came from.
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Reply #20 - 07/25/15 at 15:14:19
 
A few years back I knew a guy who fought in the pacific theater of WW2.  He was 88 at the time I knew him and he still hated the Japanese after all those years.  I never asked about his experience during the war; although, he must of had horrendous memories.

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Reply #21 - 07/25/15 at 17:10:32
 
Conquering.

For several, 1,000 of years, Long before, the North American Continent, was populated.
Various groups, ‘Conquered’, another group.
It is the way of the Human Race.

Now let’s go back about, only about 150 years ago.
to North America.  The, ‘white’ man, ‘conquered', the N.A. Indian.
Who, (1,000’s of years ago), were descendents of the,  Incas, Aztecs,  & Maya.

That, ‘conquered, by the ‘white’, man’.
Is subject to much debate, on both sides,
and BOTH sides, did things, which are NOT,  ‘P.C.’, by today's standards.

So, ’Today’, do the N.A. Indians, have the, ‘right’ to,
cheat, lie, steal, bribe, to get what they want, as a, ’Tribe’,
because of what happened, 150 + year ago in N.A. ?

(I am sure, that, ’somewhere, WAY, back in history, a group, or family,
could say, the land, where the ‘Vatican’, now sits,  is theirs !
Because, once, WAY back, it was.)

So here we have, a, ‘conquered’, group, who for the last, 120 + years,
have relied on the, ‘Government’, of the, ‘conquering’ group, for, SUBSIDY.

Now, we have the, ‘conquered’, group, making BILLIONS Each year,
in Casinos,.   Good for them, great, it is, FREE CHOICE, to go their or not.
It is, ‘Free Choice’, to give them Money.
(OBTW, they STILL get ’Subsidies’, from the US Government,
even though each tribe member, gets ‘almost’, 1 MILLON a Year)

But is it all right, to ‘claim’,  land, which, Long Before the, ‘white man’, came to N.A.,
That their, Great, Great, Great, Ancestors, once camped on ?????

Is it all right to, ‘claim’, a 1850’s treaty,
which says, in one part:
“Gill Netting and Spearing shall be allowed”
and in another part it says:
“Any 3 Indians off the reservation can be shot on site”
One of those statements, is:
“Oh Yea, Not a problem”
and another is: “That is Not relevant today”

Well Of Course,
the, ‘…3 Indians in a group…shot …’, is Not even thought about,  today!
It is totally absurd !

YET,  the Gill Netting and Spearing, is Valid ????????????

Hello, What is going On Here ???????
Can you guess ?
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Reply #22 - 07/25/15 at 18:07:14
 
Excellent rant.
OBTW, they STILL get ’Subsidies’, from the US Government,
a million dollars for each member...?
I'm gonna need something to back that up.
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Reply #23 - 07/25/15 at 20:35:55
 
  The, ’’Subsidies’’,  from the Federal Government,
Are for, ALL, Native  Indians’,,  I believe it is about, $15,000.00 a year.
For ALL, N.A..   So that is  FREE House, FREE Land,
and NO RE  Taxes.

Gee, if, you had, Free House/Land, and NO,  State/Fed  Taxes,
could you make do on $15,000.00 a year ?

The Millions come form the ‘tribes’,  that have Casinos.

A,  question is:   WHY, if someone making a Million a Year,
STILL, getting, Federal, Subsidies.  ?????
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Reply #24 - 07/25/15 at 20:41:37
 
IF what you say is true, it's a tiny problem compared to the crap going on.
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