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Apaches in a fight for Oak Flat
07/22/15 at 21:34:01

At the tail end of 2014, just before the must-pass National Defense Authorization Act was going to be voted on, Arizona Senators John McCain and Jeff Flake slipped in a rider that in effect gave public land containing the sacred Apache site Oak Flat to a copper-mining company.
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old.indian Serious Thumper Offline Fighting Foreign Terrorism since 1492 Posts: 975 Central New Mexico Gender:	Re: Apaches in a fight for Oak Flat Reply #1 - 07/22/15 at 21:53:37 Not surprising...McCain and Flake were trying to get treaty water rights from the Navajo recently. Example of the word "oxymoron" = honest politician.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Apaches in a fight for Oak Flat Reply #2 - 07/22/15 at 21:54:22 More heroism..
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12933 Gender:	Re: Apaches in a fight for Oak Flat Reply #3 - 07/23/15 at 05:03:41 i dont know.......seems like out west, if you spit it lands on some obscure "tribe's" sacred land.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Apaches in a fight for Oak Flat Reply #4 - 07/23/15 at 05:20:00 To the best of my knowledge, there is no tribal land Not owned by treaty. Trying to steal from them is not okay. Ill bet you'd holler if they screwed you.
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12933 Gender:	Re: Apaches in a fight for Oak Flat Reply #5 - 07/23/15 at 06:28:18 if I had a magic wand, I'd wave it and get rid of all tribal lands, reservations, whatever you want to call it.
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Reply #6 - 07/23/15 at 07:41:48

WebsterMark wrote on 07/23/15 at 06:28:18:

if I had a magic wand, I'd wave it and get rid of all tribal lands, reservations, whatever you want to call it.

That raises the same reaction I had to the yuppie twit who said.
[/color]" While you were in Vietnam putting your buddies in body bags, I was getting laid by burning my draft card at peace rallies...."[color=#ff0000] Angry

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Re: Apaches in a fight for Oak Flat
Reply #7 - 07/23/15 at 10:09:41

WebsterMark wrote on 07/23/15 at 06:28:18:

if I had a magic wand, I'd wave it and get rid of all tribal lands, reservations, whatever you want to call it.

The white man has a magic wand, he waved it and the buffalo were nearly driven to extinction.
Then he drove the indian onto worthless piece osh!t lands and call them reservations, now you want them back.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Apaches in a fight for Oak Flat Reply #8 - 07/23/15 at 10:37:17 Better hope that wand doesn't land in the hands of an Indian, and if it did, they'd be right to evaporate us. IMHO, if wrongs can be measured, they have a bigger complaint than anyone else. Trail of Tears Look it up. Broken treaties..
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Reply #9 - 07/23/15 at 10:46:43

wow.....did I ever ruffle some head dresses....

I know, the subject is taboo, but hell that was a century ago or more. Native-Americans, African-Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian-Americans, how many freaking Americans do we have?

isn't it about time we put this to bed? Sorry, but not to put too fine a point on it, but they lost the war. we took over the land, to the winner goes the spoils. Get rid of this dual nation status BS.

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Reply #10 - 07/23/15 at 10:48:34

old.indian wrote on 07/23/15 at 07:41:48:

WebsterMark wrote on 07/23/15 at 06:28:18:

if I had a magic wand, I'd wave it and get rid of all tribal lands, reservations, whatever you want to call it.

That raises the same reaction I had to the yuppie twit who said.
[/color]" While you were in Vietnam putting your buddies in body bags, I was getting laid by burning my draft card at peace rallies...."[color=#ff0000] Angry

that was a real sh!tty thing to say and I hope you beat his as$. I wouldn't put my comment in the same category.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Apaches in a fight for Oak Flat Reply #11 - 07/23/15 at 11:28:03 I would.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28846 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Apaches in a fight for Oak Flat Reply #12 - 07/23/15 at 12:12:13 You're gonna have to put it in some context so he can understand... Like... My ancestors were force marched from MS to OK so that yours could steal our land. Nearly 1 in 4 died on the way of starvation and exposure while yours fatted himself upon our land.
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Reply #13 - 07/23/15 at 12:49:16

everybody's ancestors did $hit to everybody elses ancestors.

whatever tribe you associate with probably had a war with another tribe and took over their land. i'm of Scottish descent and from what I recollect, the Romans crapped all over us for centuries.

honestly, I don't have a dog in this hunt and I'm certainly not going to argue about it. I'm just not inclindec to join in on the "oh, look what wd did to the poor old American Indian" pity party anymore then I'm going to boycott German product because my uncle was destroyed in World War II. which, by the way, was a hell of a lot more recent.

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Re: Apaches in a fight for Oak Flat
Reply #14 - 07/23/15 at 12:58:16

I'm not claiming ancestry. Third party observer position, I see injustice.
Maybe some people can't do that. I'm able to see it from their side. That's been a problem I've had for a long time.
When i was captain of the PE flag football, well, two below, no flags, team, teams sent two out, to hash out rules. They wasted time arguing. I went out , with the quarterback, and told them
You make the rules, just don't change them.
I was the only captain who wasn't the quarterback. I'd rather win, so, I picked a kid who could throw. And, the first guy I picked was the fat kid.
Always picked last. He was tall and huge. I taught him to block, so, we had one blocker for the quarterback. Had others not cheated our record woulda been best.
How is it possible to cheat and still Feel as if you'd won?
You can't win if you cheat

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