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Reply #90 - 06/02/15 at 19:31:28
 
Well, I don't really want to be around a buncha guys or girls strapped.
First, IF there's an incident, the people carrying are first targets, or, the fact that they are there keeps anything from happening.
I don't live in fear, but neither do the victims of random shootings.
Wouldn't it have been good if a coupla theater goers had been armed.
Ohh, but no, THAT theater had a rule against...
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Reply #91 - 06/02/15 at 21:09:34
 
I don't live in fear, either, not even fear of being considered an a hole
I know guys who wear their pants down like that
I don't really like it, but the ones I know seem decent enough
The folks I know who carry seem decent enough too
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Reply #92 - 06/03/15 at 04:50:22
 
The request...

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"Tell me where he mentions homocides involving firearms in that video."
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"Irrelevant"
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Reply #93 - 06/03/15 at 07:44:16
 
HovisPresley wrote on 06/01/15 at 09:07:07:
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"But how many counrties with very restrictive gun laws have murder rates far higher than the US, and those murder rates in the US get a lot smaller when you look at places with more relaxed gun laws (chicago murder rate far higher than Texas, etc)"

How about naming these countries? On a 'like-for-like' basis.
Say Canada, for example...

Comparing a city to a state is not a valid comparison to me.

I might add that I own 2 (legally held) revolvers, and can provide a list of fire-arms that I've fired on a shooting-range to anyone that's interested.

NB. The only country I can think of that it is compulsory to have a fire-arm in the house is Switzerland. Switzerland!


After this post, we are talking violent crime, not just gun violence, which is a more honest way to look at the issue
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Reply #94 - 06/03/15 at 07:58:03
 
That is more difficult than you might think,... because many countries, England in particular, have a more liberal definition of "assault"... or "violent Crime"...
This drastically skews any comparison..

For instance...
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British Home Office, by contrast, has a substantially different definition of violent crime. The British definition includes all “crimes against the person,” including simple assaults, all robberies, and all “sexual offenses,” as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and “forcible rapes.”
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Reply #95 - 06/03/15 at 08:36:14
 
which is one reason why comparing countries to other countries as a shining example of gun control working is comparing apples to corn flakes
And I dunno about the FBI, but my state calls assault assault, you can use physical force, within reason, for any and all of the offenses you say England reports but the FBI doesn't, so I'd guess they are reported as crimes, too
But I didn't start that line of duiscussion
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Reply #96 - 06/03/15 at 12:55:38
 
Quote (art);
"which is one reason why comparing countries to other countries as a shining example of gun control working is comparing apples to corn flakes"

Why that video didn't share the statistics, or even a wiki link, to the 'homocides involving firearms' question is probably not a surprise.
Seems relevant......death.....by fire-arms......USA.....  yep, relevant.

Apples need to be compared to another apple.
Maybe a developed country such as the USA.... needs to compared to something very similar, such as Canada, or Switzerland, for example.

Might not be a case of 'gun-ownership' as more a case of 'gun-mentality' that is more significant, maybe. Who know's?  
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Reply #97 - 06/03/15 at 13:30:32
 
HovisPresley wrote on 06/03/15 at 12:55:38:
Quote (art);
"which is one reason why comparing countries to other countries as a shining example of gun control working is comparing apples to corn flakes"

Why that video didn't share the statistics, or even a wiki link, to the 'homocides involving firearms' question is probably not a surprise.
Seems relevant......death.....by fire-arms......USA.....  yep, relevant.

Apples need to be compared to another apple.
Maybe a developed country such as the USA.... needs to compared to something very similar, such as Canada, or Switzerland, for example.

Might not be a case of 'gun-ownership' as more a case of 'gun-mentality' that is more significant, maybe. Who know's?  


Might not be a case of 'gun-ownership' as more a case of 'gun-mentality' that is more significant, maybe. Who know's?  
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Our culture is young and sprung up well after knights and swords.
What is called entertainment in America has been violent.
I don't know what it's like other places,but our society makes a big deal over people who kill a buncha people or dominate on the football field.
We glorify war and Our law allows for the imagery of death and killing on all kindsa stuff. Games,TV,movies, the worse it is,the more it gets on the news. The value of life is ,IMO,diminished in the eyes of the people.
Expressing that lack of respect and caring about life is easy
With a gun.

Of course, I have no experience or understanding of other societies that have guns yet less violence.
Don't forget about the socio-economic pressures, the government created drug wars, lotsa variables.
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Reply #98 - 06/03/15 at 14:58:44
 
Yeah,I thought that would be a challenge.
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Reply #99 - 06/03/15 at 18:03:11
 
Appears that blew up the internet..
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Reply #100 - 06/04/15 at 05:56:09
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/03/15 at 18:03:11:
Appears that blew up the internet..

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Reply #101 - 06/04/15 at 07:54:20
 
HovisPresley wrote on 06/03/15 at 12:55:38:
Quote (art);
"which is one reason why comparing countries to other countries as a shining example of gun control working is comparing apples to corn flakes"

Why that video didn't share the statistics, or even a wiki link, to the 'homocides involving firearms' question is probably not a surprise.
Seems relevant......death.....by fire-arms......USA.....  yep, relevant.

Apples need to be compared to another apple.
Maybe a developed country such as the USA.... needs to compared to something very similar, such as Canada, or Switzerland, for example.

Might not be a case of 'gun-ownership' as more a case of 'gun-mentality' that is more significant, maybe. Who know's?  


Nope
Gun control advocate
Disarming will reduce crime
Gun ownership advocate
No, folks just kill with other tools, take the 'firearms' out of it, it's a false flag, and look at total violent crime
gun control advocate
got numbers
gun ownership advocate
*provide numbers*
gun control advocate
but that ignores gun violence
gun ownership advocate
That was the point
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Reply #102 - 06/04/15 at 08:06:53
 
So the US being the 13th in the world for gun-related deaths doesn't tell you something?

Hovis *gun owner* Presley
(*provider of numbers*)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
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Reply #103 - 06/04/15 at 09:27:25
 
I don't CARE. I Simply do not CARE. The Reason for that second amendment is clear, its not about hunting, The point is not debatable. Shall we just step up and argue about how often I can post?
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Reply #104 - 06/04/15 at 11:09:03
 
No, because that's the First.
We're arguing the Second.


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