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Reply #75 - 06/02/15 at 08:42:43
 
MnSpring wrote on 06/02/15 at 08:25:37:
HovisPresley wrote on 06/02/15 at 07:59:47:
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Apparently, you are looking at something, completely different.

Tell me where he mentions homocides involving firearms in that video.
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Reply #76 - 06/02/15 at 08:44:07
 
What is rarely reported are crimes not committed or stopped by gun owners.

And debate it endlessly, but Americans are the Sovereign.
The government doesn't grant us our rights.
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Reply #77 - 06/02/15 at 08:49:06
 
JOG; for once, you and I are in complete agreement.

There is no debate over the meaning of the 2nd Amendment. There is no debate over the meaning of the Government.

I should correct those statements to say "There SHOULD be no debate..."
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Reply #78 - 06/02/15 at 12:22:33
 
From Wikipedia;
"There are several versions of the text of the Second Amendment, each with capitalization or punctuation differences. Differences exist between the drafted and ratified copies, the signed copies on display, and various published transcriptions. The importance (or lack thereof) of these differences has been the source of debate regarding the meaning and interpretation of the amendment, particularly regarding the importance of the prefatory clause."

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Reply #79 - 06/02/15 at 12:40:49
 
No. There is no ambiguity in its meaning as it was written at the time.
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Reply #80 - 06/02/15 at 13:33:02
 
That's what the word 'amendment' means....to amend something, to change it.
Guns have come a long way since 1791  Wink
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Reply #81 - 06/02/15 at 16:26:55
 
The part After the comma states clearly the intent.
Why not Just that? IDK, but I don't think the Founding Fathers
would want to see the citizenry at the mercy of the Hired Help.
Remember, USA, citizens are the Sovereign.
Disregard the obvious that the government has disregarded the law and get away with it.
If there really was a difference between the two parties we would be seeing laws repealed when the power is voted back and forth.
We SEE legislation Passed, the Representatives KNOW what the People want and vote against the Will of the people.
Ohh, but, there is no unseen guiding hand with a longterm agenda.
Noo, nobody ever wanted to dominate..
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Reply #82 - 06/02/15 at 16:42:29
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/02/15 at 16:26:55:
The part After the comma states clearly the intent.

What's the first part doin'?... Undecided...

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Reply #83 - 06/02/15 at 17:20:54
 
HovisPresley wrote on 06/02/15 at 08:42:43:
MnSpring wrote on 06/02/15 at 08:25:37:
HovisPresley wrote on 06/02/15 at 07:59:47:
... Fail ...  Grin


Apparently, you are looking at something, completely different.

Tell me where he mentions homocides involving firearms in that video.

Irrelevant, the argument of the left is that restricting Firearms ownership reduces Violent crime, not just gun crime

And it doesn't

fail

Related: we just discussed switzerland  having Mandatory gun ownership
It also has one of, if not the, lowest rate of violent crime in the world
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Reply #84 - 06/02/15 at 17:25:29
 
Let's say someone said:

'  don't stab me now '

And they stabbed that person, the next day,
and got off, because of, 'a comma'.

JOG, you are right!

Won't stop trying, but in this case I will.

Got lawn mowen to do, Fishing to do, and drinking beer to do.



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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #85 - 06/02/15 at 17:52:38
 
[quote author=2137203D25303D26520 link=1432916418/75#82 date=1433288549]justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/02/15 at 16:26:55:
The part After the comma states clearly the intent.

What's the first part doin'?... Undecided...

The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. - See more at: http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment2.html#sthash.Gt9gUvgg.dpuf

I don't think I can resolve the long standing dispute over the first part.
I can,however,read that and,knowing that the whole thing is about freedom of the People. I feel Very comfortable that the Founding Fathers, having been forced into war to secure freedom from tyrannical government, wouldn't start by making the very People that the New Kind of government that they have literally put their heads in a noose when they signed the declaration of independence would intentionally disarm them and make them subservient to the Hired Help. Until people see the government as hirelings rather than authorities to be knelt to,we will have tyranny,and we are watching it grow.
I expect violence to increase. Economic pressure will make for some angry,desperate people.
Remember, there are people who thwart crime and don't report it.
Poke a
Gun Free Zone
sign in the yard. Feel safer?
I know you have guns, so, what is it you want?
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Reply #86 - 06/02/15 at 17:58:09
 
MnSpring wrote on 06/02/15 at 17:25:29:
Got lawn mowen to do, Fishing to do, and drinking beer to do.


We all know the parts before the comma's don't count... so, just go drink the beer...
Grin...
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Reply #87 - 06/02/15 at 18:21:36
 
[/quote]We all know the parts before the comma's don't count... so, just go drink the beer... Grin... [/quote]


Oh,  Forgot !!!!!    Playing Poker, also.   LOLOOO


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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Re: Arizona cartoons...
Reply #88 - 06/02/15 at 18:27:36
 
Serowbot wrote on 06/02/15 at 17:58:09:
MnSpring wrote on 06/02/15 at 17:25:29:
Got lawn mowen to do, Fishing to do, and drinking beer to do.


We all know the parts before the comma's don't count... so, just go drink the beer...
Grin...

I took the time to make the point as well as possible, asked a question, and that is the reply?
What do you think it says and why?
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Reply #89 - 06/02/15 at 19:01:32
 
So, the question is,.. what do I want?...

My post was a sarcastic jest...  
If I want something,.. it's an acknowledgement that the first part of the sentence is not in jest...
The founders were making a specific codicil with first part of the sentence... a qualifier to the second part...

I have guns... they're fun... I don't live in fear, and don't ever feel the need to be armed...
The only "fear" I have,... is some nut with gun... (I don't carry, because I don't think two nuts with guns is any better than one)...

If you are carrying in public,... many people are wondering behind your back...
"What's wrong with that guy?"...
...and,.. "Dude,.. where's your penus"?...(gettin' around the site censor)...
...and,.. "What an a-hole"...

And I'm not kidding,... and it's because people find it an intrusion into their personal space...
Just because you have the legal right, don't make it right...
Just like wearing yer' pants below yer' arse so yer' boxers show is a rude invasion of personal space...

I don't mean any of this as an attack... just the truth...
People do feel that way,.. and people do say those things...

..and nobody, but nobody, thinks you're a cool guy, or a tough guy...
..'cept maybe some other guy showing off his tool...

Just like loud pipes...  Only bikers that like loud pipes are impressed...
Everyone else thinks it's making up for an inadequacy ...
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