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HovisPresley Serious Thumper Offline Good Vibrations! Posts: 991 Midlands, UK Gender:	Re: Arizona cartoons... Reply #15 - 05/31/15 at 04:07:54 A muslim going to a prayer meeting. A biker, "ex-Marine", with a "F**K ISLAM" shirt, outside that meeting. Which one of them is more likely to be armed?
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Online SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12926 Gender:	Re: Arizona cartoons... Reply #16 - 05/31/15 at 06:31:55 Whose armed isn't the question. Whose most likely to use it without provocation is.
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Reply #17 - 05/31/15 at 07:14:42

Yup, possession isn't the problem, intent is
Like someone said earlier, if the Muslims ignore the event, (likely) and the extremists do, too (unlikely) no one gets hurt, and the 'biker ex marine' if he is indeed looking to stir the pot (likely) gets disappointed
Then it becomes a non event

On the other hand, if the event is attacked, it shows clearly an attempt by a fringe group who claim a certain religion to force their views and beliefs (sharia law) on others
It's interesting how we don't accept this from Christians (who don't currently murder folks who don't follow Christian law) but do from Muslims

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Reply #18 - 05/31/15 at 09:04:47

WebsterMark wrote on 05/31/15 at 06:31:55:

Whose armed isn't the question. Whose most likely to use it without provocation is.

(italics mine)
Hard to fire without a gun Wink

PS. "whose" and "who's" mean different things. For the sake of clarity, it's worth bearing that in mind as not everyone reading this thread.....(oh, why do I bother?)

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HovisPresley Serious Thumper Offline Good Vibrations! Posts: 991 Midlands, UK Gender:	Re: Arizona cartoons... Reply #19 - 05/31/15 at 09:09:22 Sharia law, in Phoenix? I seriously doubt the muslims in Phoenix are trying to impose Sharia law. Much the same way that, generally, Christians aren't trying to impose "the world was created in 6 days/talking snake" on people living in Phoenix.
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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9061 Minn Gender:	Re: Arizona cartoons... Reply #20 - 05/31/15 at 10:02:20 Quote: ... Hard to fire without a gun ..." Yep, it is. So no one has a gun. Just use knives. Oh, no one has a knife. Just use a Bat, Well no one has Bat. OK then, just use a Tire Iron, But no one has a Car. Then, just use Rocks, and Stone them. A, 'thing', does not create violence, a, 'attitude', does.
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oldNslow Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2679 Rochester, NY Gender:	Re: Arizona cartoons... Reply #21 - 05/31/15 at 10:25:02 Quote: Then, just use Rocks.. Well, if our Muslim friends (and their politically correct, progressive apologists) get their way, that's pretty much what we will be reduced to eventually. The UK will probably make it back to the sixth century first, but , never fear, the USA will be along soon enough.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Arizona cartoons... Reply #22 - 05/31/15 at 10:26:33 I don't know about you guys, but I have always had bills. I have never had resources to just pack up and leave and go somewhere to stir up trouble. I don't know how these guys do it.
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Reply #23 - 05/31/15 at 10:50:49

HovisPresley wrote on 05/31/15 at 09:09:22:

Sharia law, in Phoenix? I seriously doubt the muslims in Phoenix are trying to impose Sharia law. Much the same way that, generally, Christians aren't trying to impose "the world was created in 6 days/talking snake" on people living in Phoenix.

Then what woulds you call the forbidding of anyone, Muslim or not, drawing Mohamed?
It's pushing your religion on those who don't follow it, at the very least

The protests didn't erupt in violence, after all, but there was a large police presence to help insure that

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"Hard to fire without a gun"
Knives, rocks, sticks, it's easy to find a weapon if you're determined to hurt someone, we did it for thousands of years before we ever knew what a gun was
Hands and feet work surprisingly well, too

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Reply #24 - 05/31/15 at 10:57:53

[quote author=04271A393B20272E490 link=1432916418/15#20 date=1433091740][color=#0000ff] Quote:

A, 'thing', does not create violence, a, 'attitude', does.

Poking a wasps' nest isn't an attitude (thanks, Old.Indian).
Invading Poland isn't an attitude.
The gathering together of an armed group outside a prayer meeting isn't an attitude.
The proposed willful killing of US citizens/US military bases on US soil by a US Government department isn't just an attitude, it's a thing.

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Reply #25 - 05/31/15 at 11:04:08

[quote author=4B6C756A70537166706F667A030 link=1432916418/15#24 date=1433095073]MnSpring wrote on 05/31/15 at 10:02:20:

[color=#0000ff] Quote:

A, 'thing', does not create violence, a, 'attitude', does.

Poking a wasps' nest isn't an attitude (thanks, Old.Indian).
the desire to poke it is
Invading Poland isn't an attitude.
the belief thet you're entitled to rule Poland is
The gathering together of an armed group outside a prayer meeting isn't an attitude.
the desire of either group to attack or impose their will on others is
The proposed willful killing of US citizens/US military bases on US soil by a US Government department isn't just an attitude,
the belief that the US Gov't should kill US citizens on US soil is [/b].

Stick a loaded gun anywhere, anywhere at all, and if no one touches it, it won't kill anyone
if a loaded gun is picked up by someone with killing in their heart, they, not the gun, may kill someone

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Reply #26 - 05/31/15 at 11:11:14

oldNslow wrote on 05/31/15 at 10:25:02:

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Then, just use Rocks..

Well, if our Muslim friends (and their politically correct, progressive apologists) get their way, that's pretty much what we will be reduced to eventually. The UK will probably make it back to the sixth century first, but , never fear, the USA will be along soon enough.

Bagdad was the world's centre of learning. The West owes it's understanding of mathematics, medicine, and astronomy to those that studied there......so, the sixth century?

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Reply #27 - 05/31/15 at 11:14:37

[quote author=33202625373030520 link=1432916418/15#25 date=1433095448][quote author=4B6C756A70537166706F667A030 link=1432916418/15#24 date=1433095073][quote author=04271A393B20272E490 link=1432916418/15#20 date=1433091740][color=#0000ff] Quote:

Stick a loaded gun anywhere, anywhere at all, and if no one touches it, it won't kill anyone
if a loaded gun is picked up by someone with killing in their heart, they, not the gun, may kill someone

All the more reason to disarm? Surely?

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Reply #28 - 05/31/15 at 12:09:50

Bad guys historically attack where guns aren't.
Can't remember the years, Louisiana was seeing car jacking, drivers pulled out, run over, it was awful.. Then the governor declared that people could defend themselves. In just a matter of weeks, after several car jackers died, screaming and writhing in pain, gutshot, car jacking ended.
The theater shooting in Colorado? The Only theater with rules against concealed carry in the area. Florida was seeing tourists mugged.
Solutions?
Instructions for tourists, hide maps, anything, luggage, whatever might make you stand out. No good.
New rule, car rental companies required to remove any company logo.
No good.
Legislation is passed allowing self defense,

Problem solved.
Attacks on tourists drop, no longer more likely than the next guy.

Everywhere strict gun control is, we see more gun related crime.

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Reply #29 - 05/31/15 at 12:24:49

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/31/15 at 12:09:50:

Everywhere strict gun control is, we see more gun related crime.

In America...
Because, we have open borders between states, and any gun restrictions are just a state or two away from circumvention...

This ain't such a problem in countries that don't allow such easy access to firearms...
Firearm deaths per 100,000 people...
Japan = 0.06
UK = 0.25
US = 10.30

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