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05/24/15 at 16:18:21
 
Bikes had been in pieces for over a year. i got a new 3.1gal peanut tank, new petcock (now...it's one of them $20 chrome valves that they use on big harley's and stuff that sucks way more fuel), and thats it. everything else just went right back on, and it starts up and runs like a raped ape unless you're in fifth and then it starves for gas and starts to cut out and die when im hauling balls. i can be jamming in 4th for a f*cking hour and nothing! soon as i switch to fifth it almost immediately starts dying. I tried cracking the gas cap thinking it was vapor lock or something...nope. and no i dont know sizes or diameters of anything. it shouldnt matter anyway.

So...whatcha guys thinking?
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Reply #1 - 05/24/15 at 16:35:39
 
Have you tried just cruising, getting into fifth and not trying to accelerate, but just roll along, say forty mph? Not suggesting that you lug it, if there's a easy downhill spot, just to see what it does.
You got a fuel filter?
I can't imagine it having enough fuel flow to run hot for an extended period in fourth, but won't cruise easy in fifth...
I'm baffled,,,
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Reply #2 - 05/24/15 at 17:00:56
 
I have to switch to 4th gear to get it to stop. I had been jamming balls out in 5th gear for like 20 miles before it started happening and now it happens all the time in 5th. its starving for gas. but I don't know what that has to do with 5th gear because unless there's something I'm missing it shouldn't matter.
Actually...if I switch it up to 5th and it starts happening and I let it happen for a bit and switch to 4th still happens and I may have to even switched on the 3rd or let off the throttle for a while, like the bowl has to fill up... its starving for gas. filter on the petcocks is all I ever use. a friend told me to take that one off and put in an inline and it would restrict the fuel less but I don't see how this is connected to 5th gear. the last time I had a problem like this it was because the Jets in the carburetor were all switched around but I haven't touched those
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Reply #3 - 05/24/15 at 17:06:36
 
Take off your petcock and check for debris inside.
your new2u tank maybe dropping rust.
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Reply #4 - 05/24/15 at 17:45:04
 
im gonna open the carb up and check the jets too cuz it's possible i fiddled with it on my down time and accidentally switched the air jets or something. i seriously doubt rust or debris is the culprit but i'll clean the whole shabang out tomorrow. Does 5th gear at lower rpm's draw more fuel that higher rpm's in 4th?
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Reply #5 - 05/24/15 at 18:04:15
 
If you pop the fuel line offa the carb and see what the flow looks like,that might be a clue.
Draining the bowl into a clear container might be a clue.
You could ride till it starts to act up, shut off the petcock and hit the kill, stop and drain the bowl.

If it's just a thimble full, well, there you go.

Does fifth at low rpm draw more fuel than fourth at rippin it RPM?
Maximum MPG is achieved at the lowest speed high gear can be used at,
Lugging is not okay.


If you don't have good flow then I'd hafta see the filter on the petcock.

Did it do this on the first ride?
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Reply #6 - 05/24/15 at 18:55:29
 
Rpm drop going to 5th may drop vacuum too low to draw enough fuel...(not from the tank, but from the floatbowl)...
Do you have enough backpressure in your filter and pipes?...

Too open and all your torque is at the top of the rpm's... a Revzilla...
'Ceptin' our big thumper rev's out at 6500...
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Reply #7 - 05/24/15 at 18:56:06
 
ok. i have two questions that are jst dying for answers.

Does 5th in lower rpm draw more fuel or air than 4th at high rpm? the reason I'm so adamant about like a yes or no answer to this question is it kind of leads me into answering what it dying in 5th gear has anything to do with it. cuz it only does it in 5th but I just can't see a connection.

Does a petcock off an engine that's twice as big as mine allow less fuel draw/volume that what is required by our engine?
Argg...i'll dig in 2mrrw..maybe curse a bit.
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Reply #8 - 05/24/15 at 18:58:36
 
wait...serowbot...ur making sense but my phone is dead
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Reply #9 - 05/24/15 at 19:08:41
 
Is yer' phone in 5th gear too?...  Grin...
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Reply #10 - 05/24/15 at 19:27:59
 
I dunno hoot about the way the bike works, but all my cars had the highest intake manifold vacuum at idle. Vacuum drops as the carb opens. Maybe the bike is different,
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Reply #11 - 05/24/15 at 20:02:22
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/24/15 at 19:27:59:
I dunno hoot about the way the bike works, but all my cars had the highest intake manifold vacuum at idle. Vacuum drops as the carb opens. Maybe the bike is different,  

No,.. it's same... but, if the higher gear drops you out of the torqueband, you will have to open the throttle to try to gain speed... and opening the throttle will drop the vacuum...
...(same as if you go 30mph in 5th gear, and wick open the throttle... it'll chuf and stumble, and maybe die... vacuum drops to nuttin' and can't pull fuel.)...

That's my theory, an' I'm stickin' to it...
...'till Dave or Versy tell me I'm a dope... Grin...
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Reply #12 - 05/24/15 at 20:06:57
 
I with serowbot on this one, a good debris tank check and petcock functionality test cant hurt either.
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Reply #13 - 05/24/15 at 20:09:04
 
botticelli wrote on 05/24/15 at 20:06:57:
I with serowbot on this one, a good debris tank check and petcock functionality test cant hurt either.

I don't think tank debris or petcock flow would change with the gear selected...

Boogie has a pingle pet, I think... they are solid reliable...

That said,.. cleaning never hurts... 'cept yer' elbows... Tongue...
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Reply #14 - 05/24/15 at 20:45:35
 
Confession time... I bought a Chinese petcock, looked good, the outlet was 8mm, it had a long neck, it was cheap.

before I could install it (already had a genuine yami on the daily) so there it sat til the dog found it and ate all the plastic off it... ie them little filter gizmos.  and the o-ring too, hoped it snapped when it came out.   Angry  
So in getting ready for the beast, I swapped engines in the 88 to the 96.  The 96 needed rings still from the oil tests. (don't change oils more than once if you can help it).  So a few weeks later I started getting this hitch in the getalong up my favorite WFO hill   Huh
Yep them little petcock holes were stuffed full of rust chips.
So... check the FN petcock.

OK, so... low vacuum phen nom men na (doot doo de doo doot)
that's why you got a needle valve.
of course itsa crap shoot on the compromise.
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