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DesertRat Serious Thumper Offline I love rat bikes! Posts: 1569 Arizona	S40 vs 883 05/24/15 at 14:49:42 can anyone tell me why the weight difference? HD 883 @ 883cc = 562lbs S40 @ 652cc = 381lbs where is HD putting 181lbs? Is 231cc that much more motor weight? Is it in the frame?
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28387 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: S40 vs 883 Reply #1 - 05/24/15 at 14:57:15 The engine is only about 60 lbs heavier, I believe... (I believe it's about 160lbs or so)... I think Harley hides lead in the frames... ...
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28787 L.A. California Gender:	Re: S40 vs 883 Reply #2 - 05/24/15 at 15:03:26 everything has to be heavier on a hardly driven because of all the polishing that goes on, otherwise they would just wear away.
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DesertRat Serious Thumper Offline I love rat bikes! Posts: 1569 Arizona	Re: S40 vs 883 Reply #3 - 05/24/15 at 15:07:28 I was wondering if it had to our "litigious" society, maybe over engineering the carp outta the frame to avoid lawsuits?
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DesertRat Serious Thumper Offline I love rat bikes! Posts: 1569 Arizona	Re: S40 vs 883 Reply #4 - 05/24/15 at 15:08:45 verslagen1 wrote on 05/24/15 at 15:03:26: everything has to be heavier on a hardly driven because of all the polishing that goes on, otherwise they would just wear away. trailer queens? lol p.s. I don't care for spit and polish, had enough of that carp in the US military.
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gerald.hughes Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline FSO Posts: 1100 Tucson, Az Gender:	Re: S40 vs 883 Reply #5 - 05/24/15 at 17:56:55 There is a different approach to building the bikes. I think one of the places where this shows up is in the controls. Compare the brake and clutch levers on the two bikes.
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DesertRat Serious Thumper Offline I love rat bikes! Posts: 1569 Arizona	Re: S40 vs 883 Reply #6 - 05/24/15 at 18:18:14 gerald.hughes wrote on 05/24/15 at 17:56:55: There is a different approach to building the bikes. I think one of the places where this shows up is in the controls. Compare the brake and clutch levers on the two bikes. there's definitely a build difference, but almost 200lbs difference?
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Re: S40 vs 883
Reply #7 - 05/24/15 at 19:50:26

I read someplace that an 883 motor weighs about 180. Someone on here said that a savage motor is around 100.

a savage holds a little over 2 quarts of oil - a bit less than 4 pounds.
883 holds almost 5 between the motor and the primary - twice as much ,say around 8 pounds

savage holds 2.8 gallons of gas - about 16 pounds for a full tank
883 either 4.5 or 3.5 depending on the model - 26 or 21 pounds

So 9 or 14 more pounds just in fluids depending on the model.

Everything on the HD is heavier by some varying amount. Frame, fenders, seat, wheels, suspension, etc

It doesn't take a huge difference in the weight of any one part for the incremental differences to add up.

Besides, the engineering, and marketing, philosophy of HD and the Asian mfrs. is completely different. Harley has never been concerned with weight. It just isn't an important parameter with regard to to how the motorcycles function, either to the company management or to most of it's customers.

Just because a Sportster is a heavy bike doesn't automatically make it a bad one. Harley's are different. A lot of folks must think that's ok, or Harley wouldn't sell so many of them. And there wouldn't be so many bikes by other mfrs that are pretty transparent Sportster imitations.

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DesertRat Serious Thumper Offline I love rat bikes! Posts: 1569 Arizona	Re: S40 vs 883 Reply #8 - 05/24/15 at 19:55:54 oldNslow, so the 80lbs motor difference, fluid weights and "other" structural and cosmetics make up the difference ... great to know, thanks for the data ...
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MMRanch Serious Thumper Offline Evil flourishes if Good Men do Nothing. Posts: 5739 LYNCHBURG TN Gender:	Re: S40 vs 883 Reply #9 - 05/24/15 at 21:09:44 I've got both and after riding the Sportster for a week the S=40 feels like a toy .
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Todd James Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 238 Mansfield, Ohio Gender:	Re: S40 vs 883 Reply #10 - 05/24/15 at 23:48:34 I've got both and after riding the Sportster for a week the S-40 feels sporty.
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28387 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: S40 vs 883 Reply #11 - 05/25/15 at 01:01:58 Quite a few of us have that pair in our stable... I wish I could mindmeld the two into a tweeny weight and power machine, while keeping the simplicity of a no-frill, air-coolied, old school momosical... Don't know how you'd get a 1 1/2 cylinder engine though... ...
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Re: S40 vs 883
Reply #12 - 05/25/15 at 08:49:07

@Todd
I have both as well. The sporty is an 09 and I hop on it mostly when I'm in a rush because the fuel injection makes for a quicker get away than the savage. I just finished paying it off so parts have been ordered to chop it up and hard tail/stretch it in the coming weeks. Once that's done I think the decision on which one to take will become harder as they will both be customized.

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DesertRat Serious Thumper Offline I love rat bikes! Posts: 1569 Arizona	Re: S40 vs 883 Reply #13 - 05/25/15 at 11:34:03 which one would you folks prefer to ride freeway for extended periods or highway commute?
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28387 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: S40 vs 883 Reply #14 - 05/25/15 at 11:47:39 If bigger bikes are good for anything,.. that's the thing... The Savage would win for everything else,... but not freeway, long distance... JMHO...
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