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Reply #30 - 02/05/15 at 16:47:27
 
Children under 1 to 1 1/2 year are too young for vaccination...
If they are exposed to the virus,... the odds are 90% they will get measles...

150,000 people still die every year... mostly infants and elderly, many more have permanent damage including deafness...

A handful of people have died from the vaccination,.. these folks were allergic to eggs, although the vast majority of egg allergic people still don't get sick from the vaccination...

This is just another talk radio, internet myth... run amok...
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Reply #31 - 02/05/15 at 21:29:40
 
Isn't it funny,, a woman, so TOTALLY sovereign over her body she can put the baby inside her to death, YET,  the State can force her to take a vaccine... and the masses fail to see how weird that is.
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Reply #32 - 02/05/15 at 22:42:56
 
factless arguments again!!!
only a few states require vacs...
what happened to the jog who gave up on this forum page??
thought he found the spiritual path??

btw my flu vac this year barely works
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Reply #33 - 02/05/15 at 22:53:29
 
Barely? CDc admits that it's a total failure..
You don't need to worry about what I do, unless you are unable to deal with it..
The point was lost on you, I'm shocked..
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Reply #34 - 02/06/15 at 05:12:03
 
Jog, your stupidity on many subjects is mind-boggling, But at least on your goofy 911 conspiracy crap, no one's likely to die. A few postback you had the gall to say do the math.....when everyone on here has been doing the math showing how ludicrous your position is. There are five kids in a Chicago kindercare today with the measles. Let's just wait and see how many were not vaccinated.
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Reply #35 - 02/06/15 at 05:15:54
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/05/15 at 22:53:29:
Barely? CDc admits that it's a total failure..
You don't need to worry about what I do, unless you are unable to deal with it..
The point was lost on you, I'm shocked..


And you lie without shame. Below is the CDC's website and their statements on the flu vaccination this year. Kindly search through there and highlight the phrase total failure and send it back to me.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/
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Reply #36 - 02/06/15 at 07:57:14
 
You wanna split hairs? A government agency admits to less than stellar results and you don't get it? It's a BUST ,your desperation is palpable,,
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Reply #37 - 02/06/15 at 09:19:19
 
Facts are so irrelevant in the TT...

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Reply #38 - 02/06/15 at 10:14:51
 
Serowbot wrote on 02/06/15 at 09:19:19:
Facts are so irrelevant in the TT...

Grin Grin Grin...

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Reply #39 - 02/06/15 at 11:44:45
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/03/15 at 16:53:48:
Do I get to decide if I or MY children get vaccinated or do we get TOLD what to do?


So I went back and quoted the OP. yes, I read the other posts, but am limiting my response to the OP.

Current Legal: You get told

How I would do  it: You get an option... do it or leave.

Leave means leave the community.. the schools.. all government and private "public" areas ( parks, stores, fast food joint)

Why? A vaccine "helps" to prevent the "spread" of a disease. It does not stop it, nor prevent 100% of people 100% from ever getting it.
If a community decide they want the public that then shares space and air, to meet a minimum inoculation, then I think they should be able to set that standard.  

I am FORCED to pay taxes
I am forced to wear seat belts
I am forced to wear a motorcycle helmet
I am forced to have liabilty insurance
I am forced to pay for city water and sewer and trash pick up, if I live in the city. Having my own well would NOT preclude my participation.
I am forced to have concealed carry permit.
I am forced to buy all new cars with ABS and air bags and a recording chip for the last 10 seconds before air bag deployment
The police and or insurance can recover that chip without my consent
I am forced to provide my children with heat and AC and with the CURRENT standards of the day.. though my mother never had any of such

Such is a reality of a shrinking country. Shrinking in that as the population increases and land mass stays the same, we area all forced to meet minimum standards (and pay for them) in order to maintain a safe, comfortable, and polite society as humans are ever crowded more and more closely.

As a libertarian.. MY peeve is that the FEDERAL government insists on making regulations to supersede those of states and communities. Were it left to me the USA would be a patch work of regulations as approved by the local population. To be sure it would be a pregnant dog to move around. But it would reveal very quickly what works and what does not. Folks would flock to areas that met both their ideal of freedom and their need for minimum standards.

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Reply #40 - 02/06/15 at 13:49:49
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/06/15 at 07:57:14:
You wanna split hairs? A government agency admits to less than stellar results and you don't get it? It's a BUST ,your desperation is palpable,,


Yes, Brian "Jog" Williams..... I want to split hairs. You are pretty doggone lose with facts all the time, but lets try to tighten this one up a bit shall we.

You said CDC admitted total failure which is a million miles from the truth.

a government agency is run by people. last I checked, people screw up fairly often.....  I remember them saying early on they were having to take an educated guess on which strain was going to be dominant. Seems like last year I remember them being closer, but didn't hit it exactly. Wasn't 3 years ago when they hit it just right and flu was at lowest point?

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Reply #41 - 02/06/15 at 13:57:38
 
Pine; I think you're correct. The community enforces vaccines' or rather the states do, but the Feds at this point do not. I think most states you can opt out.

You'll get no argument out of me for limiting government and I take a back seat to no one as far as being on the look out for government over reach by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats.  

And I realize there is a danger government (it will be the liberals of course)  will force more and more vaccines on us citizens and I'll fight that. They've tried already with the HPV vaccine and that fights not over.

But Measles vaccine aint one of those that's in question. If your local school district demands a measles vaccine and you're a conspiracy freak like Jenny McCarthy or Jog; then you got to home school or move.

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Reply #42 - 02/06/15 at 16:27:40
 
http://www.naturalnews.com/047890_flu_vaccines_CDC_apology_medical_fraud.html

If that's Not admitting failure,what is it?

Just take the time to LOOK for

CDC admits flu vaccine does not work.

Try it, unless you just don't wanna hafta admit it. It's a BUST.. If you were selling something that worked as poorly, you'd get sued.
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Reply #43 - 02/06/15 at 19:51:04
 
Jog, you can't be that stupid! It doesn't say that. It says exactly what I said. You're losing it dude. Drop the silly vaccine thing, move on....
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Reply #44 - 02/06/15 at 21:21:27
 
I guess I am that stupid.. still looks like an admission to me
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