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Reply #15 - 12/10/14 at 06:28:39
 
I believe I have the best and quickest non painful way, that will totally insure the convicted person dies a quick and painless death.

Give them a sedative of some sort....your choice...make them sleepy, happy, or dopey...it won't matter.

Blind fold them, and lay them down comfortably on a cushy surface.

Strap them firmly, making sure the head does not move.

Then drop a 1000lb block on their head from 10 feet above.... they will literally not know what hit them.

No pain, lotta mush...but no pain, and probably complete satisfaction from those that demanded justice.

Oh.... and televise it, you could cover the head with a soft cloth bag... to retain the pieces... but televise it nationally. Letting every criminal out there know that this.... is their end.

Totally humane also.... how could anyone argue?
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Reply #16 - 12/10/14 at 07:28:19
 
MnSpring wrote on 11/23/14 at 16:48:43:
Lots of suggestions, (good ones), on how to make it work.

However, I believe, we have, LOST, the “Penalty”,  Part!

Understand the, ‘need to be sure’, but after that, need, is satisfied.
The Death PENALTY,   Needs to be a,  PENALTY !
Not hidden away!

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when he is lambasted for making convects, WORK,
is:   “Ya don’t like it, Don’t Come Back” !




/agreed... I hope I alluded to this in my post. Society needs to be assured that once all measured are met, those that are a public threat, or who have been so grievous, deserve the satisfaction that such crimes not go unpunished, even the ultimate punishment.
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Reply #17 - 12/10/14 at 08:18:34
 
Actually I don't think the lethal injection is all that humane
from what I understand, part one of the drug is a paralytic, making it impossible for the subject to express distress, followed by the lethal drug, which stops the lungs, causing suffocation, while the subject remains aware of what's happening to them as they die, a rather horrible death IMO, though it looks humane

Sadly, according top my source, this is how the drug the vet uses to 'put down' (kill, folks, call a pot a pot) an ailing animal works, too

Firing squad would be more humane

as for 4 shots to the heart being necessary to desroy all 4 ventricles, I seriously doubt a shot from a 30-06 or .308 would fail to totally destroy the heart, most folks hit with a clean hit from one of these drop instantly

A head shot would be even quicker

There's a reason a .22 in the back of the head is called an 'exocution style' killing, it flat works, instantly

I have, with much regret, used this method on a few of my animals in the past, only when they were clearly in great pain and there was no hope of healing
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Reply #18 - 12/10/14 at 09:29:15
 
A .22 has enough energy to puncture the skull once but not enough to exit. The result is that it bounces around shredding your grey matter like a blender.


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Reply #19 - 12/10/14 at 13:22:36
 
Art Webb wrote on 12/10/14 at 08:18:34:
Actually I don't think the lethal injection is all that humane
from what I understand, part one of the drug is a paralytic, making it impossible for the subject to express distress, followed by the lethal drug, which stops the lungs, causing suffocation, while the subject remains aware of what's happening to them as they die, a rather horrible death IMO, though it looks humane

Sadly, according top my source, this is how the drug the vet uses to 'put down' (kill, folks, call a pot a pot) an ailing animal works, too

Firing squad would be more humane

as for 4 shots to the heart being necessary to desroy all 4 ventricles, I seriously doubt a shot from a 30-06 or .308 would fail to totally destroy the heart, most folks hit with a clean hit from one of these drop instantly

A head shot would be even quicker

There's a reason a .22 in the back of the head is called an 'exocution style' killing, it flat works, instantly

I have, with much regret, used this method on a few of my animals in the past, only when they were clearly in great pain and there was no hope of healing



According to the PHD and former Micro instructor at UMMC, lethal injection is first a form of anesthesia, and then one that disrupts the heart. ( he tried to explain the heart thing .. but swoosh over my head)
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Reply #20 - 12/10/14 at 18:17:32
 
I dont see why death row folks arent given an option.. Why not offer them a meal laced with downers and while theyre sacked out, give them a lethal and painless injection? Why the " Walk to death"? Why make them face it? If the goal is to remove them from the Earth and eliminate the cost of keeping them alive in a cell,, then why terrorize them with Facing being shot or hanged or electrocuted or strapped down and killed? How much is vindictive and how much is "Carrying out the sentence"?
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Reply #21 - 12/10/14 at 19:05:47
 
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I dont see why death row folks arent given an option


Most likely they landed on death row 'cause they didn't give their victims an option

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Reply #22 - 12/10/14 at 20:43:52
 
How much is vindictive and how much is "Carrying out the sentence"?


Then should each be killed the way they killed?
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Reply #23 - 12/11/14 at 04:35:14
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/10/14 at 20:43:52:
How much is vindictive and how much is "Carrying out the sentence"?


Then should each be killed the way they killed?


No. The sentence is death, not torture. The sentence should be carried out as efficiently and as humanely as possible. However I can't get too worked up about the suffering of the person being executed if things don't work out perfectly. Their own actions got them where they are, and my sympathy is with whomever they victimized. They gave up the right to any "options" when they committed the crime.
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Reply #24 - 12/11/14 at 06:12:50
 
Interesting notion... might I expand?

Keep all death row inmates in one area. Once a week, or month, or interval poison their food. The "winner" is drawn at random, like a lottery.


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Reply #25 - 12/11/14 at 07:18:17
 
I like it,, after all appeals are done, every month, get those guys together, plates on the table, they sit and eat, one dies.

Now, as to the death penalty itself,,, FBI labs have been known to aim evidence at a suspect. Exculpatory evidence HAS been withheld. Men have been demonstrated, proven, innocent,,sitting on death row..
So, if the killer is CLEARLY guilty, multiple witnesses, gun in hand,video,, okay, death to him,, BUT,these circumstantial evidence cases where the FBI lab is responsible for analyzing the evidence to see if the suspect is guilty, and fingerprints and on and on and they Build a case against some schmuck who can't Afford the fight,, I'm not happy with how it has been used... too many innocent people are dead or on death row.. One is too many..I've SEEN at least 10 (guessing) over the years. Can you IMAGINE being wrongly convicted?
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Reply #26 - 12/11/14 at 11:04:50
 
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Reply #27 - 12/11/14 at 15:46:41
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/10/14 at 18:17:32:
I dont see why death row folks arent given an option.. Why not offer them a meal laced with downers and while theyre sacked out, give them a lethal and painless injection? Why the " Walk to death"? Why make them face it? If the goal is to remove them from the Earth and eliminate the cost of keeping them alive in a cell,, then why terrorize them with Facing being shot or hanged or electrocuted or strapped down and killed? How much is vindictive and how much is "Carrying out the sentence"?


This is a good point
the point of the death sentance is not to punish the killer, it's to remove him, permanently, from so society
In other words, we don't kill people because they killed, we kill them so they don't kill AGAIN, or that's what the idea is supposed to be, just as we don't kill a rabid dog for being rabid, we kill it to keep it from spreading the disease and keep us safe

I've known a few people who I thought might face the death sentence someday; they aer NOT folks who are repentant by nature, it never occurs to them they're being punished because what THEY did was wrong, it's always someone else's fault
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Reply #28 - 12/11/14 at 20:00:13
 
Paraquat wrote on 12/11/14 at 11:04:50:

THAT prosecutor is a rare one. How many have been wrongly put to death?

I'm not against the death penalty,BUT, only when it's Really Proven, not coerced confessions,not faked up evidence... WITNESSES,,  EVIDENCE..
Kill someone to get a WIN on your score card,, keep the career moving?
I'd GIVE a prosecutor EXACTLY the sentence they sought against someone IF I knew that they were hiding exculpatory evidence or creating evidence.
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Reply #29 - 12/11/14 at 21:51:41
 
I've actually never understood why a prosecutor, defender, or even a judge is allowed to withhold evidence in a criminal case, pro or con, since the idea is to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the accused is guilty, or release him
ANY level of punishment is wrong when leveled against an innocent man, and, like the founding fathers, I would rather see 100 guilty men go free than a single innocent man be punished
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