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Title: Death by firing squad Post by verslagen1 on 11/20/14 at 09:18:55 https://news.yahoo.com/utah-revives-plan-executions-firing-squad-202248379.html I can see that there are many pro's and con's, but when accurately applied can be quick. They mention shoot thru the heart, knowing that being shot in non lethal forms is painful, wouldn't this be the least humane place to be shot? Wouldn't shot thru the brain be better? I would propose 6 low power rounds, 22's are known to enter 1 side and bounce around till spent. 3 to the head, 3 to the heart should do the trick. Computer aimed and silenced to keep the victim from jumping. As an alternate, self administered drug overdose. Give them all the heroine they want. Sooner or later they'll do the deed themselves. At least they'll die a lot happier. |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by oldNslow on 11/20/14 at 09:35:23 I find it really hard to believe that there is not a drug or a combination of drugs that would work quickly and essentially painlessly to accomplish an execution. Iv'e had to have animals put down on a few occasions and in none of those cases did the animal exhibit any of the distress that was the case in several of the botched execution attempts recently. I've got no particular problem with firing squads, but I think this idea is just a reaction to the stupidity and incompetence of the states doing the executing and screwing them up. |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/20/14 at 12:56:07 Of the dogs we'd had to have euthanized, I only actually watched one, a St. Bernard who was too sick and too big to get into the car to take to the vet's office. I've wondered the same thing about the drug that vets use. This euthanasia was totally painless as far as I saw, and very quick. BUT, due to the size of the dog, around 150 pounds, the vet gave the dog the shot straight into the heart, rather than in a blood vessel elsewhere. No way could you do that to a human. |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by verslagen1 on 11/20/14 at 15:07:18 You can do a lot of sh!t to animals and no one cares but their owners. A criminal breathes hard in his sleep and you hear nothing but uproar. |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by MnSpring on 11/20/14 at 17:20:23 Quote:
Yea it would, but find 7 people, today, that have the skill to shoot that good ! Quote:
Computer Aimed. (See Above) Quote:
OMG, Can NOT do that. It would be ILLEGAL !!!!!! Perhaps, a, 'Town Square', hanging, where EVERYONE can SEE. So it , 'again', serves the fundamental purpose, of, DETERRING, Crime. Rather than be shrouded, hid, and covered. |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by drharveys - FSO on 11/20/14 at 18:55:38 Utah has had the firing squad option before. It's an accommodation to the Mormon (LDS) church which believed in "Blood Atonement". Read the Wikipedia article in the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by mpescatori on 11/21/14 at 07:51:30 If done properly, the "lethal injection" is actually an anesthaetic followed by a substance such as curare. You are literally "put to sleep". The problem is you are darn wide awake when they stab you the first time. A shot through the heart is painful and dooms you to a slow Death, because the heart is made of four ventricles, and each shot will only maim one. A shot through the head is what you are after; one, quick shot. It doesn't hurt, you wouldn't even hear it because the proper cartridge would be hypersonic. You just stand/sit there, and then you're gone. Amen. |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by verslagen1 on 11/21/14 at 09:10:47 5B784566647F7871160 wrote:
Computer Aimed. (See Above)[/quote] I don't see your objection here, "computer aimed" meant just that, sand bagged rifles, held in position by servo's and other means, a spot picked out to be aimed to, fired by a press of a button of the executioner. Quote:
OMG, Can NOT do that. It would be ILLEGAL !!!!!! [/quote] legal, smegal. what is written into law is legal. Case in point, see title. Typically, death row inmates spend 10 to 20 years awaiting their sentence. Give them the option during the 1st year to waive all appeals and give them the drug of their choice, hopefully they'll choose crocodile. |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by MnSpring on 11/21/14 at 10:17:58 Quote:
No objection to it. Perhaps it wasn't clearly stated. Because, of, 'perceived lack of human skill', it would Have to be computer. The, 'Illegal' part. Tong in cheek. Just thinking what the , 'tree huggers' would say ! |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by verslagen1 on 11/21/14 at 11:35:07 Quote:
besides, there are scores of qualified men trained daily to hit a target at far greater distances. If an average marine can do deadly damage at 200 feet to a moving target, 1 in 7 should be able to get the job done. |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by Pine on 11/21/14 at 14:32:46 The chemical ( drug) deaths are only now an issue because no company wants to be associated with the drugs. That was what happend in at least one latter case ( last year) the "normal drug" was not available so another was used, and the result was not the quiet quick sleep death. My mother ( a staunch Democrat) is very much for a public death as noted above. The death penalty needs to be quick to come and public in order for the public to "feel" that a crime deserving of such was officiated and law and order restored. With long drawn out "death row" vicitms move on and public "forgets" the crime and only the death is fresh. Those of such a bend of course want no-one put death no matter what, they are afforded years to lament and make public their position. As to the method of the death. I am VERY certain.. many methods could be done in modern way that would apease most. hanging works, as long as all the proper measurements are made. I dont favor the electric chair, so much. Drugs.. but that sure seems an easy way out for murder or rapist.. who dont often such a courtesy to their victims. Firing squad works, Though as pointed out above, it really doesnt need to a proper gun. A computer controlled barrel of minimal caliber to the back of the head... pretty dern quick. Carbon monoxide... how hard would that be? As for being or not for the death penalty. I am currently for it. With current law as it is, we have made punishments not too awful, life in prison... free cable, AC/ heat for free for life? Pretty sweet for somebody that has to have killed either many times or in a really horrible way. |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by Ed L. on 11/22/14 at 13:51:19 Lets take it a little further and have a lottery which any citizen could buy into. The lottery would be for the ability to carry out the death sentence for convicted criminals using the three old time favorites, hanging, electric chair or firing squad and would be the lottery winner's choice. Think about all the Bubbas out there who would just love the chance to pull the plug legally on a criminal. It would dump a lot of money into the government and could be a deterent to hardened criminals. I know a few good old boys who would give thier eye teeth (if they have any left) for something like that. ;) This post is for entertainment purposes only on a cold rainy afternoon. |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by pgambr on 11/22/14 at 15:35:28 49685340220C0 wrote:
Do you remember the "Running Man"? http://https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608013575290490439&pid=15.1&P=0 http://https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608030433037649864&pid=15.1&P=0 It was based in the year 2019. :o |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by Ed L. on 11/22/14 at 17:44:49 Electro in his little electromobile was a bit silly :D |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by MnSpring on 11/23/14 at 16:48:43 Lots of suggestions, (good ones), on how to make it work. However, I believe, we have, LOST, the “Penalty”, Part! Understand the, ‘need to be sure’, but after that, need, is satisfied. The Death PENALTY, Needs to be a, PENALTY ! Not hidden away! Best quote, from the Sheriff in AZ, when he is lambasted for making convects, WORK, is: “Ya don’t like it, Don’t Come Back” ! |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by old_rider on 12/10/14 at 06:28:39 I believe I have the best and quickest non painful way, that will totally insure the convicted person dies a quick and painless death. Give them a sedative of some sort....your choice...make them sleepy, happy, or dopey...it won't matter. Blind fold them, and lay them down comfortably on a cushy surface. Strap them firmly, making sure the head does not move. Then drop a 1000lb block on their head from 10 feet above.... they will literally not know what hit them. No pain, lotta mush...but no pain, and probably complete satisfaction from those that demanded justice. Oh.... and televise it, you could cover the head with a soft cloth bag... to retain the pieces... but televise it nationally. Letting every criminal out there know that this.... is their end. Totally humane also.... how could anyone argue? |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by Pine on 12/10/14 at 07:28:19 6E4D7053514A4D44230 wrote:
/agreed... I hope I alluded to this in my post. Society needs to be assured that once all measured are met, those that are a public threat, or who have been so grievous, deserve the satisfaction that such crimes not go unpunished, even the ultimate punishment. |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by Art Webb on 12/10/14 at 08:18:34 Actually I don't think the lethal injection is all that humane from what I understand, part one of the drug is a paralytic, making it impossible for the subject to express distress, followed by the lethal drug, which stops the lungs, causing suffocation, while the subject remains aware of what's happening to them as they die, a rather horrible death IMO, though it looks humane Sadly, according top my source, this is how the drug the vet uses to 'put down' (kill, folks, call a pot a pot) an ailing animal works, too Firing squad would be more humane as for 4 shots to the heart being necessary to desroy all 4 ventricles, I seriously doubt a shot from a 30-06 or .308 would fail to totally destroy the heart, most folks hit with a clean hit from one of these drop instantly A head shot would be even quicker There's a reason a .22 in the back of the head is called an 'exocution style' killing, it flat works, instantly I have, with much regret, used this method on a few of my animals in the past, only when they were clearly in great pain and there was no hope of healing |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by Paraquat on 12/10/14 at 09:29:15 A .22 has enough energy to puncture the skull once but not enough to exit. The result is that it bounces around shredding your grey matter like a blender. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by Pine on 12/10/14 at 13:22:36 74676162707777150 wrote:
According to the PHD and former Micro instructor at UMMC, lethal injection is first a form of anesthesia, and then one that disrupts the heart. ( he tried to explain the heart thing .. but swoosh over my head) |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/10/14 at 18:17:32 I dont see why death row folks arent given an option.. Why not offer them a meal laced with downers and while theyre sacked out, give them a lethal and painless injection? Why the " Walk to death"? Why make them face it? If the goal is to remove them from the Earth and eliminate the cost of keeping them alive in a cell,, then why terrorize them with Facing being shot or hanged or electrocuted or strapped down and killed? How much is vindictive and how much is "Carrying out the sentence"? |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by oldNslow on 12/10/14 at 19:05:47 Quote:
Most likely they landed on death row 'cause they didn't give their victims an option |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/10/14 at 20:43:52 How much is vindictive and how much is "Carrying out the sentence"? Then should each be killed the way they killed? |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by oldNslow on 12/11/14 at 04:35:14 243B3D3A2720112111293B377C4E0 wrote:
No. The sentence is death, not torture. The sentence should be carried out as efficiently and as humanely as possible. However I can't get too worked up about the suffering of the person being executed if things don't work out perfectly. Their own actions got them where they are, and my sympathy is with whomever they victimized. They gave up the right to any "options" when they committed the crime. |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by Paraquat on 12/11/14 at 06:12:50 Interesting notion... might I expand? Keep all death row inmates in one area. Once a week, or month, or interval poison their food. The "winner" is drawn at random, like a lottery. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/11/14 at 07:18:17 I like it,, after all appeals are done, every month, get those guys together, plates on the table, they sit and eat, one dies. Now, as to the death penalty itself,,, FBI labs have been known to aim evidence at a suspect. Exculpatory evidence HAS been withheld. Men have been demonstrated, proven, innocent,,sitting on death row.. So, if the killer is CLEARLY guilty, multiple witnesses, gun in hand,video,, okay, death to him,, BUT,these circumstantial evidence cases where the FBI lab is responsible for analyzing the evidence to see if the suspect is guilty, and fingerprints and on and on and they Build a case against some schmuck who can't Afford the fight,, I'm not happy with how it has been used... too many innocent people are dead or on death row.. One is too many..I've SEEN at least 10 (guessing) over the years. Can you IMAGINE being wrongly convicted? |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by Paraquat on 12/11/14 at 11:04:50 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/03/leon-brown-freed_n_5760706.html 30 year old DNA. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by Art Webb on 12/11/14 at 15:46:41 617E787F62655464546C7E72390B0 wrote:
This is a good point the point of the death sentance is not to punish the killer, it's to remove him, permanently, from so society In other words, we don't kill people because they killed, we kill them so they don't kill AGAIN, or that's what the idea is supposed to be, just as we don't kill a rabid dog for being rabid, we kill it to keep it from spreading the disease and keep us safe I've known a few people who I thought might face the death sentence someday; they aer NOT folks who are repentant by nature, it never occurs to them they're being punished because what THEY did was wrong, it's always someone else's fault |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/11/14 at 20:00:13 6352415242465247330 wrote:
THAT prosecutor is a rare one. How many have been wrongly put to death? I'm not against the death penalty,BUT, only when it's Really Proven, not coerced confessions,not faked up evidence... WITNESSES,, EVIDENCE.. Kill someone to get a WIN on your score card,, keep the career moving? I'd GIVE a prosecutor EXACTLY the sentence they sought against someone IF I knew that they were hiding exculpatory evidence or creating evidence. |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by Art Webb on 12/11/14 at 21:51:41 I've actually never understood why a prosecutor, defender, or even a judge is allowed to withhold evidence in a criminal case, pro or con, since the idea is to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the accused is guilty, or release him ANY level of punishment is wrong when leveled against an innocent man, and, like the founding fathers, I would rather see 100 guilty men go free than a single innocent man be punished |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by Paraquat on 12/12/14 at 06:05:33 3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
I like that. Accountability. Need to implement that... in congress also but from what I hear they are already feeling Obamacare in congress. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/12/14 at 07:17:31 687B7D7E6C6B6B090 wrote:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RHZZuhFyIUU#t=2266 Okay,I wanted this at the end, but it is here.. well, it was not in America, but, I have been aware of some cases where it was almost as flagrant and almost as complete in the control of the defense. Reasonable doubt,,not shadow. IMO, a defendant should be able to put on A Vaudeville show IF he believes that would get the jury to agree with him . Having a judge tell the defense what they can and can't say makes it NOT a trial but a procedure with a predetermined outcome. |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by Pine on 12/12/14 at 07:46:22 7A696F6C7E79791B0 wrote:
Add me to this list. I am very frustrated by "rules of evidence" and a lot of the crap that goes on in a courtroom. I am pretty dern sure I would be excused as a juror right off.. but if not... then the courts would probably have a heck of a time with me, as I am of the mind that as a juror .. I get to say whats what. I hear stories.. very rare that jurors get this way... and when they do the courts aren't happy... but justice is much better served. |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by Art Webb on 12/12/14 at 08:23:13 6D54535849524F3D0 wrote:
Add me to this list. I am very frustrated by "rules of evidence" and a lot of the crap that goes on in a courtroom. I am pretty dern sure I would be excused as a juror right off.. but if not... then the courts would probably have a heck of a time with me, as I am of the mind that as a juror .. I get to say whats what. I hear stories.. very rare that jurors get this way... and when they do the courts aren't happy... but justice is much better served. [/quote] I also have never served on a jury, not surprising, as I have strong opinions on many subjects for example, I don't believe Cops are always right, or always truthful in court :O and of course you are right Justin, it's 'reasonable' though in a trial were the death sentence was involved, I'd want it to be beyond the shadow |
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Title: Re: Death by firing squad Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 12/12/14 at 14:33:21 As a lawyer for 40 years this coming May, and as one who knows his way around a courtroom, let me just add that the rules of evidence exist to protect defendants, both in criminal and civil cases. I am not a criminal lawyer, nor have I ever been. My focus is business litigation, and defending aviation accident cases. I surely don't want hearsay to come into evidence, for instance. And remember that when a prosecutor withholds evidence from the defense that should be turned over, he is breaking the rules. Don't blame the rules; blame him. As in all professions and occupations, from the menial to astrophysicist, there will always be lairs, crooks, and those out to feather their own caps at the expense of others. We're all human, and lots of humans are bad people. |
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