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Death by firing squad
11/20/14 at 09:18:55
 
https://news.yahoo.com/utah-revives-plan-executions-firing-squad-202248379.html

I can see that there are many pro's and con's, but when accurately applied can be quick.

They mention shoot thru the heart, knowing that being shot in non lethal forms is painful, wouldn't this be the least humane place to be shot?  Wouldn't shot thru the brain be better?

I would propose 6 low power rounds, 22's are known to enter 1 side and bounce around till spent.  3 to the head, 3 to the heart should do the trick.  Computer aimed and silenced to keep the victim from jumping.

As an alternate, self administered drug overdose.  Give them all the heroine they want.  Sooner or later they'll do the deed themselves.  At least they'll die a lot happier.
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Reply #1 - 11/20/14 at 09:35:23
 
I find it really hard to believe that there is not a drug or a combination of drugs that would work quickly and essentially painlessly to accomplish an execution. Iv'e had to have animals put down on a few occasions and in none of those cases did the animal exhibit any of the distress that was the case in several of the botched execution attempts recently.

I've got no particular problem with firing squads, but I think this idea is just a reaction to the  stupidity and incompetence of the states doing the executing and screwing them up.
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Reply #2 - 11/20/14 at 12:56:07
 
Of the dogs we'd had to have euthanized, I only actually watched one, a St. Bernard who was too sick and too big to get into the car to take to the vet's office.  I've wondered the same thing about the drug that vets use.  This euthanasia was totally painless as far as I saw, and very quick.  BUT, due to the size of the dog, around 150 pounds, the vet gave the dog the shot straight into the heart, rather than in a blood vessel elsewhere.
No way could you do that to a human.
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Reply #3 - 11/20/14 at 15:07:18
 
You can do a lot of sh!t to animals and no one cares but their owners.

A criminal breathes hard in his sleep and you hear nothing but uproar.
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Reply #4 - 11/20/14 at 17:20:23
 
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They mention shoot thru the heart, knowing that being shot in non lethal forms is painful, wouldn't this be the least humane place to be shot?  Wouldn't shot thru the brain be better?


Yea it would, but find 7 people, today,  that have the skill to shoot that good !

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I would propose 6 low power rounds, 22's are known to enter 1 side and bounce around till spent.  3 to the head, 3 to the heart should do the trick.  Computer aimed and silenced to keep the victim from jumping.


Computer Aimed.  (See Above)

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As an alternate, self administered drug overdose.  Give them all the heroine they want.  Sooner or later they'll do the deed themselves.  At least they'll die a lot happier.



OMG,  Can  NOT  do that.  It would be  ILLEGAL !!!!!!

Perhaps, a, 'Town Square', hanging, where EVERYONE can SEE.
So it , 'again', serves the fundamental purpose,
of,  DETERRING, Crime.


Rather than be shrouded, hid, and covered.






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Reply #5 - 11/20/14 at 18:55:38
 
Utah has had the firing squad option before.  It's an accommodation  to the Mormon (LDS) church which believed in "Blood Atonement".  Read the Wikipedia article in the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement
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Reply #6 - 11/21/14 at 07:51:30
 
If done properly, the "lethal injection" is actually an anesthaetic followed by a substance such as curare.

You are literally "put to sleep".

The problem is you are darn wide awake when they stab you the first time.

A shot through the heart is painful and dooms you to a slow Death, because the heart is made of four ventricles, and each shot will only maim one.

A shot through the head is what you are after; one, quick shot.
It doesn't hurt, you wouldn't even hear it because the proper cartridge would be hypersonic.
You just stand/sit there, and then you're gone.
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Reply #7 - 11/21/14 at 09:10:47
 
MnSpring wrote on 11/20/14 at 17:20:23:
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They mention shoot thru the heart, knowing that being shot in non lethal forms is painful, wouldn't this be the least humane place to be shot?  Wouldn't shot thru the brain be better?


Yea it would, but find 7 people, today,  that have the skill to shoot that good !

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I would propose 6 low power rounds, 22's are known to enter 1 side and bounce around till spent.  3 to the head, 3 to the heart should do the trick.  Computer aimed and silenced to keep the victim from jumping.


Computer Aimed.  (See Above)


I don't see your objection here, "computer aimed" meant just that, sand bagged rifles, held in position by servo's and other means, a spot picked out to be aimed to, fired by a press of a button of the executioner.
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As an alternate, self administered drug overdose.  Give them all the heroine they want.  Sooner or later they'll do the deed themselves.  At least they'll die a lot happier.



OMG,  Can  NOT  do that.  It would be  ILLEGAL !!!!!!

legal, smegal.  what is written into law is legal.
Case in point, see title.

Typically, death row inmates spend 10 to 20 years awaiting their sentence.  Give them the option during the 1st year to waive all appeals and give them the drug of their choice, hopefully they'll choose crocodile.
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Reply #8 - 11/21/14 at 10:17:58
 
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I don't see your objection here, "computer aimed"


No objection to it. Perhaps it wasn't clearly stated.
Because, of, 'perceived lack of human skill', it would Have to be computer.

The, 'Illegal' part.  Tong in cheek.
Just thinking what the , 'tree huggers' would say !
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Reply #9 - 11/21/14 at 11:35:07
 
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Yea it would, but find 7 people, today,  that have the skill to shoot that good !

besides, there are scores of qualified men trained daily to hit a target at far greater distances.
If an average marine can do deadly damage at 200 feet to a moving target, 1 in 7 should be able to get the job done.
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Reply #10 - 11/21/14 at 14:32:46
 
The chemical ( drug) deaths are only now an issue because no company wants to be associated with the drugs. That was what happend in at least one latter case ( last year) the "normal drug" was not available so another was used, and the result was not the quiet quick sleep death.

My mother ( a staunch Democrat) is very much for a public death as noted above. The death penalty needs to be quick to come and public in order for the public to "feel" that a crime deserving of such was officiated and law and order restored.  With long drawn out "death row" vicitms move on and public "forgets" the crime and only the death is fresh. Those of such a bend of course want no-one put death no matter what, they are afforded years to lament and make public their position.

As to the method of the death. I am VERY certain.. many methods could be done in modern way that would apease most. hanging works, as long as all the proper measurements are made. I dont favor the electric chair, so much. Drugs.. but that sure seems an easy way out for murder or rapist.. who dont often such a courtesy to their victims.  Firing squad works, Though as pointed out above, it really doesnt need to a proper gun. A computer controlled barrel of minimal caliber to the back of the head... pretty dern quick.  Carbon monoxide... how hard would that be?

As for being or not for the death penalty. I am currently for it. With current law as it is, we have made punishments not too awful, life in prison... free cable, AC/ heat for free for life? Pretty sweet for somebody that has to have killed either many times or in a really horrible way.
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Reply #11 - 11/22/14 at 13:51:19
 
Lets take it a little further and have a lottery which any citizen could buy into. The lottery would be for the ability to carry out the death sentence for convicted criminals using the three old time favorites, hanging, electric chair or firing squad and would be the lottery winner's choice. Think about all the Bubbas out there who would just love the chance to pull the plug legally on a criminal.
  It would dump a lot of money into the government and could be a deterent to hardened criminals. I know a few good old boys who would give thier eye teeth (if they have any left) for something like that. Wink

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Reply #12 - 11/22/14 at 15:35:28
 
Ed L. wrote on 11/22/14 at 13:51:19:
Lets take it a little further  


Do you remember the "Running Man"?





It was based in the year 2019.   Shocked


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Reply #13 - 11/22/14 at 17:44:49
 
Electro in his little electromobile was a bit silly Cheesy
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Reply #14 - 11/23/14 at 16:48:43
 
Lots of suggestions, (good ones), on how to make it work.

However, I believe, we have, LOST, the “Penalty”,  Part!

Understand the, ‘need to be sure’, but after that, need, is satisfied.
The Death PENALTY,   Needs to be a,  PENALTY !
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