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1st. ever "New" tractor
08/16/14 at 22:00:07

Ordered a "New" tractor today. Tongue

I finally got tired of used stuff , and ordered a new one.

Come to find out JD 5000E series tractors are all the same motor but the H.P. rating runs from 75HP down to 45Hp. ... Go figure ??? everything is the same except the HP ratings .

So :

Either they have a 75Hp top-end beating on a 45Hp bottom-end Tongue

or
They have a 45 Hp top-end beating on a 75Hp bottom-end ? Lips Sealed

The dealer says the difference is the amount of air and fuel that gets into the engine. But that still don't change the fact that the crankshaft size is the same on the 45,55,65,and 75 HP. models. If I had heavy pulling to do I'd go for more Hp but just working with hay I'm opting for the 45HP model w/front end loader of-course . Looks like this one.

http://www.tractorhouse.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=7723049

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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10665 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: 1st. ever "New" tractor Reply #1 - 08/17/14 at 04:38:14 Dang, you went and got yourself a BIG TOY ! ! ! That is sooooo perdy. Ours are the same beautiful green but waaay older.
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ToesNose Serious Thumper Offline Pardon me, do you have Hot Sauce? Posts: 1993 Mooresville, NC Gender:	Re: 1st. ever "New" tractor Reply #2 - 08/17/14 at 05:08:39 Very nice MM, I'm sure that will serve you the rest of your days!
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Re: 1st. ever "New" tractor
Reply #3 - 08/17/14 at 05:13:23

I will take a poke at the answer -- ya'll adjust for reality as needed.

First fact -- it is a diesel engine. The exact SAME diesel engine in all physical aspects.

The engine block and bore size and stroke are the same on all the models. All of them compress the air to 20:1 in order to superheat the air for ignition purposes. All of them do the same compression stroke for each cycle.

What differs is the amount of diesel fuel injected and the RPM speed that it is governed for -- and if it is turbocharged/supercharged or not.

Simplicity says go 45 hp and get the plain jane version. Less to break, less to require maintenance. Less stress on the engine. Less costly fuel wise to run.

Now let's see how close I really came to the truth.

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Seaweednh Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 132 Newbury, MA Gender:	Re: 1st. ever "New" tractor Reply #4 - 08/17/14 at 05:34:46 Are you doing round bales or square (rectangular)? We have two John Deeres, the biggest we could get with hydromatic transmissions. Both have quick hitches and quick change buckets. This works great for changing to the bale spear as well as a few other forward implements.
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Seaweednh Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 132 Newbury, MA Gender:	Re: 1st. ever "New" tractor Reply #5 - 08/17/14 at 05:47:12 Here is an explaination of tractor hp. Not sure where John Deere rates their horsepower, at the PTO (the most important for us) or at the flywheel. http://agfax.com/2013/12/17/tractor-shopping-really-need-know-horsepower/
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HondaLavis Senior Member Offline It's nothing personal; the other one came first. Posts: 451 Plano, TX	Re: 1st. ever "New" tractor Reply #6 - 08/17/14 at 09:43:30 That's the same series JD we used to tow our aircraft in Afghanistan. I couldn't tell you which exact model, but knowing the army it was probably the cheaper 45 hp one. I can tell you this: it's plenty quick, got lots of torque, and it'll keep on running if you beat it up and don't take care of it.
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Pine Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1694 Mississippi, USA Gender:	Re: 1st. ever "New" tractor Reply #7 - 08/17/14 at 15:00:01 My understanding from a few years ago, in the semi truck biz., owners cam pop for a computer upgrade to unlock more power. basically the trucks are governed for load at speed. You don't really need much to haul wood chips at 60 to 70 MPH.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: 1st. ever "New" tractor Reply #8 - 08/17/14 at 17:05:17 Man,that's plenty of horsepower. I have a backhoe with a 3 cylinder,around 32HP diesel. It weighs about 13,000 pounds,doesn't use much fuel And is strong enough to drag itself backwards with the bucket turned backwards,digging into the dirt while the"jacks" are down,holding the rear tires off the ground.
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Seaweednh Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 132 Newbury, MA Gender:	Re: 1st. ever "New" tractor Reply #9 - 08/17/14 at 17:34:33 It's not so much the hp but how it's geared.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: 1st. ever "New" tractor Reply #10 - 08/17/14 at 19:07:24 I was referring to the hydraulic power dragging the whole thing around even when I have it set up for digging,as locked down and stationary as I can get it.
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Re: 1st. ever "New" tractor
Reply #11 - 08/17/14 at 19:58:37

WoW Seaweed

That HP article was interesting .

It made me go look at the weight(s). They all four HP rating are the same weight 5070Lbs. and the engines are all 2.9L (3 cylinders) engines. The Hydraulics are all 18.2 GPM. They all have a 18.0 gal fuel tank.
And
What surprised me most was they are all Turbocharged ! Huh

3 point lift is 3,192 lbs. on all of them , They all take the same Front-end loader 3967 lbs. max lift.

My round baler only needs 30Hp (600 lb Bale), and my Drum cutter only needs 30HP so Hp is more that enough .

OldFeller , I think your right --- the amount of fuel and RPM rating is the difference, The HP rating ain't gonna matter !
Its still an odd fact ! Tongue

The 45 HP is up in the $27,000 neighborhood and the 75 Hp is in the $35-36,ooo area . go figure ?

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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10665 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: 1st. ever "New" tractor Reply #12 - 08/18/14 at 04:33:43 So the bottom line is if you want more HP you throw down more $$ and they slap on a different HP sticker on the side of the tractor !
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MMRanch Serious Thumper Offline Evil flourishes if Good Men do Nothing. Posts: 5836 LYNCHBURG TN Gender:	Re: 1st. ever "New" tractor Reply #13 - 08/18/14 at 07:21:57 Lancer wrote : So the bottom line is if you want more HP you throw down more $$ and they slap on a different HP sticker on the side of the tractor ! That's the way it looks to me too ! and at $2500 for each 10 HP jump !
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: 1st. ever "New" tractor Reply #14 - 08/18/14 at 07:26:31 Well... I betcha they put in a new chip and turn up the boost a bit too.
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