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justin_o_guy2
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Reply #15 - 07/02/14 at 08:30:48
 
Soooo, because of some fear someone MAY one day fight against something wrong headedly we should ignore the right and reasonable position of today's plaintiffs?
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Reply #16 - 07/02/14 at 08:32:23
 
As I said it is the first toe hold

Guess you agree with those who say the same thing about gay marriage...
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Reply #17 - 07/02/14 at 08:57:59
 
What about it?
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Reply #18 - 07/02/14 at 10:39:24
 
You saw the scrutiny this went through. There is no killing in a transfusion. I've seen nothing in the Bible against it. I've seen no corporation that is closely held that is against it. It's a silly argument to justify stepping on the true and right religious position H.L. has taken. Remember, they DO as they SAY they believe. Closed on Sunday.
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Reply #19 - 07/02/14 at 18:28:26
 
Historically, health insurance has been a benefit chosen and offered by a company as way to attract and retain the talent they want. Just like vacation, profit sharing and such it is the company's choice what to offer and to whom. If the quality of health coverage is an issue then employment seekers can focus their job search on those businesses that offer the best coverage. My company offers three different versions.

As for the closely held corporation and partnership issue, the heart of the case, it is not Hobby Lobby (the ficticious person) that provides the abortion/contraceptive coverage, rather, it is the family or the 4-5 people who are the business owners that provide it. How can the government pick 4-5 people and demand they violate their Constitutionally protected freedom of Religion to provide free abortions/contraceptives in violation of their conscience?

The real travesty here is that this cluster F of a law ever made it through the process.
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Reply #20 - 07/02/14 at 19:20:43
 
I have lived where I am now, for 35 years.

When I first moved here, 2-3 times a year,
I had the Jehovah’s Witnesses,  ‘Bugging Me”.
Then one very Hot Muggy Summer day,
I was cutting up a tree, which blew down in the last nights wind.

In drove a  NEW  Buick,  with two ladies, and two men,
Perfectly and smartly dressed, and out they popped, All talking, and waving their, ‘Watch Tower” info pamphlets.
I Shut off the chain saw, sat on the log, Lit a cig, and said:
  “Ya know, I think you got got something going their,
   if only you didn’t SUPPORT,  the  KILLING, of children”

They all talked at once telling me that is not true.

Then I said:   “You Don’t Vote Right”

They meekly  said, ‘yes’.

Then I said:  “Well, because you,  “do NOT’,  vote,
As a religious group, then, you, Have  Voted  FOR,  ‘Abortion”, IN  ANY shape or form, and for Any Reason”

One said:  “Well Cezar upon Cezar”.
I said: “What the hexx does, what someone said over 2,000 years ago, have to do with  KILLING un born Children today have ANY influence on what you do”

They were silent.

I said: Come back, when you actually take part in the process, which influences the government, of the country, you are living in. Until then,  NEVER  come down this drive again”

They left, ‘meekly’.
They have not been back, in 30 years  !!!!!!!

The HL people, ARE, partaking  in,  Voicing their,  RIGHT, to Their Opinion !
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Reply #21 - 07/02/14 at 21:17:45
 
Dane pretty much nailed it.
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Reply #22 - 07/03/14 at 05:02:41
 
verslagen1 wrote on 07/02/14 at 08:57:59:
What about it?


One of the arguments against gay marriage is that at it's heart, it removes the core foundations of marriage and replaces it with marriages that are created simply because two people say their relationship should be defined as a marriage. Once this concept is established, then what is the rational behind any further limitations? Why limit it to only two people? That makes no sense if three people now say they can only be fulfilled if they are married? Why couldn't siblings get married? Now that procreation and historical father/mother raising their own children has been removed as the basis of a marriage, why not a brother and sister, or two brothers or two sisters?

That is the slippery slope of gay marriage and I agree with you to an extent, there is a potential slippery slope now in effect because of Hobby Lobby. However, since I agree with the Hobby Lobby decision and I likely would agree with going down that slope further, I'm okay with that slope being created. Unlike gay marriage, the media and entertainment culture will not actively promote it. The Hobby Lobby decision is solely about limiting abortions and further promoting the concept of life. I'm in favor of anything that does that.
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Reply #23 - 07/03/14 at 05:10:56
 
Good points, Mark. And no, they won't be speaking highly of this,p
The media is a tool,used to sway attitudes. Conservative attitudes are NOT on the agenda.
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Reply #24 - 07/03/14 at 11:32:06
 
I'm not against gay/lesbian "marriage", they have the right to be as (un)happy as the rest of us.
But the sole crux of the matter is equality, if g/l-M was legally equal as M then there wouldn't be an issue.
But currently you can't put significant other as spouse on any legal forms and they aren't recognized as such.
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