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Mobile World in Barcellona, Spain
02/23/14 at 11:47:23
 

So, the big show is starting now.    Folks are starting to vie for your attention.


This means it is time for the teaser announcements to begin.   Of significance are the 64 bit announcements of chipsets to be completed this year, at midpoint and 3rd quarter.



MediaTek introduces MT6732 64-bit processor

This is a quad core A-53 LITTLE setup, for low to mid point phones going on out into the next 2-3 years.

No software in particular requires the 64 bit functions yet, but that will change soon enough.


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Samsung Exynos Infinity 64 bit chips on the way




Samsung is going to buy just one more canned ARM design and then they plan to modify it on out into the future themselves a la the Qualcomm Snapdragon.

So, "To Infinity and Beyond" is Samsung new permanent direction and it starts here and now with this new set of 64 bit ARM chipsets.

Buzz Lightyear would certainly be proud of them ..... he'd give them a flash with his wrist laser.
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Reply #1 - 02/23/14 at 15:57:31
 

http://www.spreadtrum.com/en/

Apparently a whole new startup generation of Chinese Cheapie Guys has quietly sprung up while our backs were turned.  

The old Chinese Cheapie guys have become HUGE and have started up their own chip plants, etc and have actually outgrown some of the old line companies like AMD, Texas Instruments and some of the other ARM world dropouts who have dropped off the face of the earth recently.   This has left room for a whole new generation of Chinese Cheapie Guys to pop up out of the cracks in the linoleum.

Let's talk about Spreadtrum as a newbie a bit
, I never heard of them before but they are making news in Barcelona Spain as a FABRICATOR CHIPBUILDER WHO IS CUSTOMIZING HIS ARM CHIPSETS (shamelessly patterning after the Qualcomm 200 series) to specifically meet the needs of Firefox OS phones.

Everyone at the show was fondling respectable looking $25 Firefox OS phones and feeling their butt-holes tighten up at the pure atavistic fear and terror type sensations it created.   They can run on 3G or 4G networks, sim card or no sim card.   They can sell retail for $25 or be given away free in pairs with a data plan from a carrier.

They also noted the first Firefox tablets were out on display and that they ran quickly even with the very very screwed up Wifi out on the Barcelona display floor.



There were a lot of folks who perused through the low end side of the telephone world and came away shocked and shaking -- there is some real change, innovation and competition out there boiling up from the low end of things.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-57619336-78/what-mattered-at-mobile-worl...

"Firefox makes a $25 smart phone possible
Think the mobile OS wars are over? Maybe in some parts of the world, Android and iOS can claim near-total victory, but Mozilla plans to elbow into developing markets with Firefox OS, which may just drive the price of a basic smartphone down to $25. An avalanche of partners including Alcatel, ZTE, and Huawei showed off inexpensive, global Firefox phones. And while many amount to a simple proof-of-concept, we're convinced that the browser company is on to something."
  People spent time looking at phones, tablets and a few all-in-ones that would have to count as a desktop PC equivalent Firefox based device.


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http://liliputing.com/2014/02/bq-meizu-launch-ubuntu-smartphones-2014.html

Let's talk about another brand new Chinese Cheapie Guy phone builder,  this one is named Meizu.   They currently make more of an upper end phone for the domestic Chinese market and are just starting to do a large export business with yet another sort of phone OS you might remember -- this being one that is "approved by the Chinese government for secure government use".

Meizu is going to be the first ones to export an Ubuntu phone from China to the USA and Europe.  

It is Mark Shuttleworth's dream come true .... a moderately priced commercially supported version of his Ubuntu Edge phone that has a built-in market acceptance in the country it is built in.

    Meizu using Android

   Meizu using Ubuntu

We will look forward to reading the reviews on using this phone as a PC when docked,  the general run of the mill ARM chipsets must have really improved a whole lot in the last few years if this phone can pull that trick off as of yet.

(but they really really have you know -- heptas and octas and 64 bit chips and all that)
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Re: Mobile World in Barcellona, Spain
Reply #2 - 02/23/14 at 16:55:48
 

http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/01/10/rockchip-rk3288-vs-rk3188-performance-...



Rockchip resurfaces from the great silence, after being out-sped by Media Tek to the market place even though Rockchip had several extra months to complete their A-12 chipset as they started months earlier.

As you read the article, the A-17 (referred to as a typo) was the better spec'd chipset as done by Media Tek and released last month.   The Mali 764 graphics cores belong to the Media Tek A-17 while the A-12 Rockchip 3288 was originally reported to use the step down Mali 654 graphics cores that cannot do all the math co-processing and multi-level sea of cores tricks that the already released and sampling  A-17 Media Tek chipset can do.  
Note the sign actually says Mali 76x graphics, so this may have been changed during the great silence.

The Rockchip 3288 A-12 is now the absolute low end of the totem pole of the modern chipsets all over again, from the very day it begins shipping everybody's new everything else is "much more better" than it is.   Lithography is only 28nm while the Media Tek has already come out at 20nm.

Is this actually the exact same post-big-silence ARM reference design, being produced at two different lithography levels and as such given two different ARM designations ???

                                   Roll Eyes

The good news is this -- this new "low end of the gene pool" processor has the potential to be directly supported by Ubuntu and its derivatives, so look to your later on this year TV sticks and set top boxes to become a source of cheap FOSS "cheap desktop PCs" over the next few years.


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Yep, both of these new low end chipsets from Rockchip and Media Tek both use box stock standard ARM quad CPU core reference designs, so they should both be able to be supported by Linux Distros going out into the future.  

Especially if they are actually the same ARM reference design produced at two different lithography levels.


Update:   Sources are saying both Rockchip and Media Tek are using the exact same A-17 reference design, but have different lithography levels at this point in time.   Media Tek will ship first at the lower lithography level.
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Reply #3 - 02/24/14 at 05:53:20
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/02/qualcomm-launches-2-5-ghz-snapdragon-801-chip.html

Qualcomm still hasn't announced their 64 bit replacement for the Krait 400 core.   They announced that they aren't announcing it yet.  

They will tell you they are going to call the chipsets Snapdragon 610 & 615 when they are ready for production & sampling at the end of this year off the new 16/18nm lithography line which will likely only run at 20nm when they first crank it up.

The aging Krait 400 core apparently still has legs enough to be stretched speed-wise a bit more to STILL clearly be the fastest CPU core out there, with the most complete, most energy efficient best integrated on chip phone and tablet system in the world.

Qualcomm 801 and 805 are STILL the very best mobile chips out there and everybody knows it.    

Best battery life, nothing on the motherboard is needed except the chip itself, actually makes for the lowest entire system cost for a top end product when you use it.   Many of the best do use it, including SAMSUNG, in their very best products.

Look at the die map, see how a complete computer on a single die chip really looks like.   Compare this to Intel, who can't even put the basic stuff like the gpu on the same die chip.  

This is your market leader and Samsung fully intends to follow what they did idea-wise with the Infinity chipset that is being announced later on today at their presentation.

Also worth noting is that Qualcomm is building on a new 16/18nm lithography line and the current 801 and 805 are still being done at a porky 28hnm which is just plain porky compared to the current released chipsets being put out by their competitors.  

Yet the 801 & 805 are still clearly kicking everybody's butt right now for energy use, utility and speed.  
Good design counts  ---  yep, it indeedy does ....

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Reply #4 - 02/24/14 at 08:36:23
 
http://liliputing.com/2014/02/intel-launches-atom-merrifield-chips-phones-tab...



"Intel’s next-gen chips for Android phones and tablets are 22nm, 64-bit chips with clock speeds up to 2.13 GHz. The Intel Atom Z3460 and Atom Z3480 “Merrifield” processors offer better performance and potentially longer battery life than the “Clover Trail+” chips they’ll replace.

Intel is also showing a series of benchmarks suggesting that the new chips compare favorably to the latest Qualcomm and Apple mobile processors. And if that’s not good enough for you, Intel is also looking ahead to the launch of its next-next gen “Moorfield” chips which are due out later in 2014."


And at 22nm here comes Merrifield, the first android only chipset from Intel, swinging on chip radios and VR graphics and location services from all the existing "external" phone world vendors.

Intel claims that the mix is "as good as" the current Android pack, and this is likely true as it is also "the same as"  the current Android pack in most portions.

But for Intel, this is a mental break-through -- they got past their own miserable internal design groups and hired it out to people who know what they are doing.

  ...... now they should lay off all these superfluous old school Intel people and buy/hire some really competent chip designers away from Qualcomm or Media Tek.
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Reply #5 - 02/24/14 at 08:40:22
 

 
http://liliputing.com/2014/02/meet-allwinner-ultraocta-a80-processor.html



Chip maker Allwinner is launching its first octa-core processor. As expected, the AllwinnerUltraOcta A80 features 4 ARM Cortex-A15 CPU cores and 4 ARM Cortex-A7 cores. Thanks to the chip’s heterogeneous design, it can use all 8 cores at once, or just as many as needed to complete a given task.

The processor also feature Imagination PowerVR Series6 graphics.  The chip features PowerVR G6230 graphics and supports 4K video encoding and decoding in the H.265 codec. It can also support up to three displays at once.

OK, so we got the first of the new generation of ARM laptop/desktop chipsets showing up on the playing field -- and this one is able to energize up to three monitors at the same time right off the stock on chip video system.

Gee, I wish there was a general purpose ARM OS or two to run this wonderful Allwinner advancement effectively.

But there isn't one out there yet -- and this chipset is WAY WAY OVERKILL in any battery powered Android tablet.  

It is really a laptop/desktop chipset.

Roll Eyes

However, in years past Allwinner cooperated well with Ubuntu and Ubuntu did fully support the A-10 generation of Allwinner chipsets ....  so a pathway exists .....

IF VR graphics would just cooperate with Ubuntu and Allwinner and Linaro, etc. there could be a laptop/desktop future for this chipset.

It would make a good chipset for a Chromebox ..... or a big screen Android all-in-one.

Allwinner likes VR graphics because in China VR graphics is a strong selling point.  

The rest of the FOSS world, not so much.

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Reply #6 - 02/25/14 at 10:09:58
 
http://liliputing.com/2014/02/nielsen-people-spending-time-phones-pcs.html



So what are people doing on their phones that they used to do on-line?

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Answer -- every thing they used to do at the PC other than real work
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Reply #7 - 02/26/14 at 09:17:28
 


Marvell introduces PXA1928 64-bit chip for mobile devices


Marvel has been frightfully quiet for several years now, sticking to their own knitting with their embedded devices business and keeping their noses clean and totally out of the fray.

Why they are jumping back in at the 64 bit level, I don't know -- unless they see their embedded business going away soon unless they do go 64 bit in a timely fashion.

You will never know you bought a Marvel chipset inside something unless you go look at the motherboard, Marvel is just that quiet.

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Reply #8 - 02/26/14 at 09:28:43
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/02/samsung-introduces-exynos-5422-5260-octa-hexa-c...



Samsung introduces Exynos 5422 and 5260 octa, hexa-core chips


Samsung lied to us a bit when they put out that Bull-teaser -- it ain't 64 bit stuff they are plonking down at the Barcelona poker table.

Instead it is the hexa-core stuff we already know about and a very small speed bump on the Exynos 5 Octa to try to keep up with the Jones
(Media Tek and Allwinner Jones that is).

Nothing earthshaking here from Samsung -- Media Tek has a faster, smaller 20nm, better graphics big/Little Octa core chip and Allwinner has something very akin to Media Tek's chipset except at 28nm.   Media Tek has the fastest most powerful ARM standard phone chip and Allwinner is boning to put out a tablet/desktop chipset on about the same level as Samsung's, but with better graphics.

None of the three Octas is currently as good as a Qualcomm chipset.  
Qualcomm kicks everyone's pre-64 bit butts very handily running at 2.5 gigahertz using some carefully tuned old Krait 400 cores.

SAMSUNG HAS FAILED TO ANNOUNCE A 64 BIT CHIPSET so far ....    And their very best products run on Qualcomm chipsets now-a-days.

They seem to be actively waiting for ARM to release or announce something fairly significant, you can tell this because it is completely unlike Samsung to allow 4 other companies to beat them to a 64 bit headline.  

When Samsung goes into a big silence like this you can count on ARM being directly involved in it somewhere ....  

The Dancing Bull will land sooner or later, count on it.

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Reply #9 - 02/26/14 at 10:03:22
 
http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/02/public-evidence-samsungs-64-bit-soc-d...



Well, I was not the only one to notice the missing 64 bit Bull Dance  portion of the big Samsung chip announcement.  
Several sources have been digging to see What The Heck Samsung and ARM are up to.

They found the chip mask that is going to be used and a few lines in a Linaro code update -- and that is it.  

Lotsa silence though, whole bunches of it.   Really loud deafening silence.

THE BIG SILENCE CONTINUES ....        i.e. it ain't real, it ain't ready

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