You decide. Of course, IMO, anything less than outrage is the wrong response. But, at least for me, Its hard to really get too charged up over something that simply confirms what Ive long believed. Ohh,, Im ticked, allrite,, just not nearly so ticked as I would be had I been bouncing along simply believing they were behaving in a law abiding manner & NOT trampling our rights.


http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/12/05/5-billion-records-day-judge-nap-takes-ns...

The article does a lot, but the Judge is always worth a listen..

Why would anyone be surprised?  Just put you hat over your phone.  If you don't have one you may want to listen to JOG more.

Out of 5 BILLION? they pinpoint ONE person? what are the odds in that? let me guess 1 in 5 billion...... ok we'll narrow it down a bit farther than that. A building with 2,000 super computers searching 500,000 calls a day filtering 300 words per minute, 24 hours a day.....and they can maybe get i'll give it a high side number 800 folks saying words like president, overthrow, kill, secrets ect,,,, ect.... i'm thinking yeah that's 800 a day filtered by computers.... now 800 employees have to listen to those calls to see if they actually threaten our national security or folks in high places.
And out of those 800 they actually filter, what are the odds that they get that 1 in 5 billion? about 1 in 20 billion. Because in a daily call check, not all those folks are going to be calling their anti gov buddies every day planning to take over the world.
I'm not too worried... I don't think you should be either.

I'm all for anything that kills cell phones...

Vile instruments... ...

It is just a sweep anyway..... satellite sweep of signals and look for signal assigned to chip O)U))UO45-49, if your phone happens to be in the area, it will pick up your chip, but won't lock onto it, cause it is not the one they are looking for anyway.

Ok...so they could be looking for burner (unregistered/cheated) phones that a bad guy might have purchased and your phone might be in the area.... then, and only then, they are going to "listen" to your phone to see if you are spouting anything viable for them to pay attention too.
Thus my comment about how many it narrows down to, not that many and really too many to manually listen in on.

From what I've understood so far is they are gathering information but don't have a way to create a searchable database yet.
They can still harvest information, even if unuseable for now, and hope they find a way to digitize and search through it all.


--Steve

True about the storing, that's why they are doing it...in HOPES of being able to dis-assemble all the info and sort it according to security threat.
I'm sure the math whiz's are attempting to write some kind of algorithm to tear apart conversations that are threatening..... and I dread the day that happens, as if just grabbing all the info was crazy, just think about when they can get it from your phone.....hehe.... pull the list of numbers off your phone and find out who you talk to and what you say... wow... what a concept.

Picture the overall "spam" signal search like an infared scan from a satellite overhead, it can detect all those heat signatures, but cannot narrow down which one is you, unless it has been fed your heat signature output. So unless my signal matches yours it won't even look at mine, just store it because i'm in the area.

Ok, we agree that the software is there, what we don't agree on is the "depth" as to which the software can define the conversations taking place and placing them into a security threat category.

I am saying the software cannot define to a certain degree that joe redneck is serious about a government overthrow, vrs joe geek saying that a government overthrow would be cool.

The software cannot determine the difference... thus a human ear has to hear it, and the space between those ears has to be intelligent enough to pass on the viable threat to his superiors, who then would say "ok, lets go to joe rednecks house and stop the threat".

Those spaces between the ears would number in the 10's of thousands, and we do not have the manpower yet to be trusted with listening  in on YOUR conversation.

Now, is my mind so closed as to not realize there is software out there that can scan 1 billion conversations? No.. there is... 5 billion conversations? No... there is.... can it determine if the conversation is psychologically threatening? NO it cannot.... it takes a human ear and common sense to tell that... and if you believe other wise... you, have a closed mind.