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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Cylinder cover/head & cylinder overhauling Reply #15 - 12/11/13 at 09:07:31 If by "Tensioner" youre referring to the cam chain guide that the Verslagen attaches to, theres no need to replace it at such low miles unless is damaged,
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Reply #16 - 12/11/13 at 09:29:00

JayDuta wrote on 12/11/13 at 00:54:55:

Mind if I ask a question here? I just got the Verslagen mod and as I was installing the guides back in, I damaged the cam chain guide. I just received the replacement part, but know I'm wondering if I should also replace the cam chain tensioner and chain as well? Is it necessary to replace? The tensioner is double the price of the guide. I have a 96 with about 4,XXXXmi on it. I'm hoping its ok just to replace the guide and not have to drop more ends.

clear as mud.
you got a verslavy, so why would you buy a new tensioner assembly?

You damaged the... rear guide, so you're replacing it... ok and it can be installed from below if you pull the clutch and primary gear.

you have 4,xxx or 4x,xxx miles?

and what ends are you dropping?

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JayDuta YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 22	Re: Cylinder cover/head & cylinder overhauling Reply #17 - 12/11/13 at 09:58:55 Thanks for verifying Verslagen. And thanks for the mod. I have about 4k miles. I was just wondering if it was necessary to replace the tensioner guide as well if I got a new rear guide. I guess there isn't a difference.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Cylinder cover/head & cylinder overhauling Reply #18 - 12/11/13 at 10:20:53 you must be talking about the front guide, it can't be replaced w/out removing the head. And because it's straight wears much less. The rear "tensioner" guide, has a heavy plastic molding on it. I've seen it crack and one guy had it come off and clog the pump intake.
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slickiverson YaBB Newbies Offline Posts: 31 Norway Gender:	Re: Cylinder cover/head & cylinder overhauling Reply #19 - 01/14/14 at 06:07:01 How do I remove the cogwheel mounted in front of the cam chain?
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Cylinder cover/head & cylinder overhauling Reply #20 - 01/14/14 at 06:16:13 With a left handed wrench
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slickiverson YaBB Newbies Offline Posts: 31 Norway Gender:	Re: Cylinder cover/head & cylinder overhauling Reply #21 - 01/14/14 at 09:28:41 verslagen1 wrote on 01/14/14 at 06:16:13: With a left handed wrench I only have a right handed wrench. What I mean is, how do I keep the cogwheel from spinning while trying to loosen it? Maybe a stupid question, but I dont want to damage anything.
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Re: Cylinder cover/head & cylinder overhauling
Reply #22 - 01/14/14 at 10:05:25

slickiverson wrote on 01/14/14 at 09:28:41:

verslagen1 wrote on 01/14/14 at 06:16:13:

With a left handed wrench

I only have a right handed wrench. Wink

What I mean is, how do I keep the cogwheel from spinning while trying to loosen it? Maybe a stupid question, but I dont want to damage anything.

You either need to use an impact wrench, or you need a tool to hold the crankshaft from turning. Sometimes you can wedge a rag or leather belt between the gear teeth, sometimes you can wedge something between the crank throws and case if the cylinder is off, sometimes you can put a strap wrench on the magneto side if you have that engine side cover off.

The left handed wrench statement might not be just a joke - I can't remember but that nut might be a left hand thread.

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Reply #23 - 01/14/14 at 10:50:24

An impact for poppin the clutch nut off isnt absolutely essential, but it sure makes it easy, BUt goin back together? Ohh, man, that impact is THE answer. I used a piece of leather in the gears, too. I know theres a left hand application in there somewhere,, been too long for me, but I Think its the clutch basket. If there are threads visible, study them. Or wait for someone to say, just , know before ya go,,

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Re: Cylinder cover/head & cylinder overhauling
Reply #24 - 01/14/14 at 11:24:03

slickiverson wrote on 01/14/14 at 09:28:41:

verslagen1 wrote on 01/14/14 at 06:16:13:

With a left handed wrench

I only have a right handed wrench. Wink

What I mean is, how do I keep the cogwheel from spinning while trying to loosen it? Maybe a stupid question, but I dont want to damage anything.

Yes, the nut is left handed. there's an "L" stamped on the nut.
I stack a couple of penny's together and stick them in the gears to the clutch.

BTW: clutch is not left handed.

I don't like using impact wrenches to tighten any thing.
and unless absolutely necessary, I don't use them to loosen either.

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Re: Cylinder cover/head & cylinder overhauling
Reply #25 - 01/20/14 at 16:46:47

Hey, me again!

The next step is to do the camshaft drive chain to camshaft alignment, but as I removed the left-hand crankcase cover I noticed something.

The big cogwheel attached to the alternator rotor has a broken tooth. In other words, one tooth is missing.

I have ordered a new cogwheel, but my question is:

Can I continue with the camshaft drive chain to camshaft alignment, or do I wait till a new cogwheel is in place?

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Re: Cylinder cover/head & cylinder overhauling
Reply #27 - 01/21/14 at 22:42:57

Any alignments depends on all gear teeth being there...

Correct the physical mechanics first... before you try to get them all to cooperate with each other...

What's the point in jumping the gun?...
Get all yer' teeth in place.. then set the gears for correct timing...

Without thinking what connects to what,... I'd just wait 'till all the teeth were in place...
...( I think you are referring to the starter drive,... which wouldn't matter,... but why rush?)...
It ain't goin' anywhere anyway...

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Cylinder cover/head & cylinder overhauling Reply #28 - 01/21/14 at 23:48:13 you know you need a special tool to pull the rotor to get at that gear don't cha?
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Re: Cylinder cover/head & cylinder overhauling
Reply #29 - 01/22/14 at 06:54:48

Yes I know, but do I really need to buy the 46mm flywheel socket special tool? Isn't this just a regular 46mm socket? It is expensive, and I already have access to multiple 46mm sockets.

verslagen1 wrote on 01/21/14 at 23:48:13:

you know you need a special tool to pull the rotor to get at that gear don't cha?

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