What happened to our lefty friends at this table? Did they bale because defending Hopey-change is an impossible task?

Just wondering.....

Which set of lies is bothering you? If you wanna know whats going on here, go to Russia Today,, They seem to have the scoop on stuff..

Bot your last paragraph, I want the same even more because I have a family children and grandchildren. I just cant set back and let this country go in the direction its headed. I don't consider myself a leftist or a righty. I was more left after George Bush became a mass murderer. Now with Obama attacking the Constitution that's worked just fine for over 200 years I'm leaning back towards the right. I voted for change the first time so no one can ever call me a racist. I didn't know he was going to turn into a dictator and and try to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Our representatives are no longer representing us and all the things you hope and wish for in your last paragraph have been taken away from us or in the process of being taken away. The things in your last paragraph I also want for my children and grandchildren. I know you understand. Our government is nothing but a home for liars and thieves who only care about themselves, who are not accountable for their criminal activity and voting no longer works. You know I want health care, just not his plan. The more I read about it the madder I get. He could have just said Medicare for everyone and it would have already been over. I listen to both sides and I want people to disagree with me because I'm not always right. I wanna hear Web's side of it although right now I think he owes Star an apology and I hope he's man enough to do it. Star has had sickness in his family and been out of town. Star and I don't agree with everything but I recognize a good man when I hear him and this country is a lot better off because he has spent most of his life serving it well. He will always be a hero in my mind even if sometimes we don't agree on politics. As far as politics go I guess you could call me a Constitutionalist like Jog. If it aint broke don't mess with it. There are times it needed changing when we gave Blacks and Womens rights but right now our biggest problem is the economy and that has nothing to do with the Constitution or the Bill Of Rights. Obama's healthcare is going to make the poor people poorer and how many of our rights have been taken away or are trying to be taken away by the last two presidents. That just proves my opinion that neither party is right. I appreciate you calling me courageous but I'm a walking dead man anyway with my health problems and I would gladly fight to make this a better country for my family and my friends like you, after all you and I basically want the same thing. I don't want to see you leave because I really value your opinion. You're intelligent and you speak from your heart, that means a lot to me. On days I'm really hurting I can read one of your post and instantly feel better. You do a lot more good than you realize. All the people on this website are like a second family, theres a lot of days I cant get out and you can tell by my number of post. I'm human, there's some I like better than others but you will always be among the top of my list. When I feel bad I always look for your joke of the day. I want you to hang around, I'm on so many meds there's days I need babysitting LOL. I take 18 pills a day and I don't know if they have my dosage right or not LOL. I sincerely hope you stay my friend.

Peace,... (I'm not the enemy... I'm not trying destroy America... I just want us to have healthcare,.. good jobs,.. safe homes, smart kids, retirement, clean streets,... and dignified lives)...

So do I. In fact, all of us do.

I see your way as destroying those things and you see my way as destroying those things.

Hopey is not giving us healthcare, he's taking it away. He's not giving us jobs, there are fewer now than before. He's not making us more safe, he's ignoring issues and forget about smarter kids. Everything you say you want, he's doing damage to. Go figure....

I wanna hear Web's side of it although right now I think he owes Star an apology and I hope he's man enough to do it.

Midnight, the guy goes into a semi-pornographic rape/murder hypothetical description happening to my daughter while she's away to college (not the first time he crossed lines with people's children) and I'm suppose to apologize to him? Huh? Not gonna happen.

But I don't wanna get hung up on him. I agree 100% that we are off course. There are a million things bad about Obamacare, not the least of which is the fact it forces more and more people to turn yet more of their lives over to a federal institution. The ugly fact is, so many people's health decisions will now be under the control of unelected bureaucrats.

Marxist or Communist is correct. Hitler was a Socialist with Fascist leanings, same for the Italian guy who's name I can pronounce but not spell. The current German Chancellor/Premiere (forget which, I don't follow the news much anymore, too depressing) is a Socialist who is a bit fiscally conservative.

The next time one of the western European nations in my ancestry has an "Americans, come home" repatriation event, I'm outta here. I'd rather live in a country that even though it has phenomenally high taxes has working infrastructure and social programs as a result. Instead of a nation that as a whole rewards greed, sloth, apathy and ignorance.

You guys all know from an older thread in this section that I'm a National Socialist (Nazi). Fairly high ranking at that... American SS equivalent of a major. Several of my WW2 veteran great-uncles to their dying days regretting not going back to Germany to fight FOR the Reich instead of against it. I'm related to General Nathan Bedford Forrest.

With the current state of affairs in this country, I know my days as a free man are numbered. Doesn't matter which of the Big 2 political parties is in office. I'm a throw back to an earlier, harder working, more responsible version of the USA. I don't belong here anymore... at least according to the powers that be...

Ha ha! You're a riot! You're the biggest bomb thrower on here. If anyone says anything against your precious Hopey, you call them a racist. Now that's pretty freaking lowlife to label someone a racist, but you do it with ease.

Yea, good solution for you.

WebsterMark wrote on 10/04/13 at 05:08:41:


The lefties - and this country - survived 8 years of Bush. The righties and this country will survive 8 years of Obama.  Quit whining.  Despite the hysteria, how health care is paid for is not the end of democracy in America. Last time I looked Britain, France, Germany - all of Western Europe actually; Japan, Finland, Australia (shall I go on?) have true government run health care from cradle to grave and they are all still democracies.

I'm not even a true "leftist" - but close enough I guess with my neo-conservative views.  I'm not around much because I took my Suzuki Savage apart and have sold about 1/2 of it on eBay. So I've no reason to be about on these boards.  Perhaps others have similar reasons.