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Reply #30 - 10/09/13 at 12:18:26
 
I would say that IF the goobs didnt steal us blind, we would all have more $$ with which to BE charitable..It is not the place of a government to dole out $$. Unless a local group does so locally,, it is not the feds job at all. The Big C lays out their job. They dont DO their job & they DO what isnt their job,,
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Reply #31 - 10/09/13 at 12:22:40
 
Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 10/09/13 at 10:05:04:
Tony -

Much of what you said makes perfectly good sense.  But as a die hard conservative, I don't like gov't intervention in purely personal choices.

For instance - auto liability insurance is required in all states to protect the other guy I may injure in an accident.  I don't have to buy collision or comprehensive coverage on my own car - I can self insure that car itself if I so choose.

I see no reason to require health insurers to pay for birth control pills, unless medically needed to regulate hormones, as some women need them for that purpose.  And this isn't just a Catholic talking - there are effective and much cheaper ways to contracept - condoms and diaphragms still work to my knowledge;  

Yes, I won't drive on a federal highway in Alaska, for instance.  You got me on that one.  Yet, more and more newly built roads are now toll roads - like the new bypass around the northwest side of Denver, CO, from the airport up to Broomfield, that I traveled on 2 weeks ago.  Those who use it pay for it.

Of course, all people matter as much as anyone else.  You've missed my past rants on why health insurance is so much more expensive now - the miracles of modern medicine.  40 years ago with my clogged cardiac artery, by now I'd either be dead, in a wheelchair, or barely able to walk 25 feet without stopping to ease the heart pain.  Instead, now I jog, ride a bicycle, and after the mandatory 6 month waiting period, was cleared to resume flying.

Without doubt, even 30 years ago, the lady with the uterine cancer would be dead by now.  Even 18 months ago, one doctor suggested she investigate hospice care before much longer.  Instead, so far, she's totally healthy.  Of course, we won't know for another 3 1/2 years if she'll make it long term, as 5 years is the "magic bullet" for most cancer survivors.

My mother died of cancer, 30 years ago.  I contribute quite heavily to cancer research, and have lots of contacts at one of the country's premier cancer hospitals, The James Cancer Hospital at Ohio State University.  One of my friends there seriously predicts, with all of the money now going into research, that we'll beat most types of cancer in the next 10 years.  That won't be cheap.

All of this is why medical care is now so expensive, and of course, health insurance premiums have to keep pace with the costs of paying the claims.  And before anyone thinks that doctors' incomes are driving up costs, quite the opposite is true.  Most docs earn, in constant dollars, less today than in the last 40 or 50 years.

While I grant you that there are those unfortunate souls have suffer from lesser than normal intelligence, I bet that the average person we would call "working poor" like your examples of the guy at Discount Tire could, if he were motivated, substantially improve his financial lot in life.  He has made a choice - work a 40 hour week at a job that really didn't even require him to finish high school, while I at age 66 still put in an average of 60 hours per week, and have no intention of slowing down.  He could get a 2 year vocational education at a community college, at night, to get a job that pays a whole lot better.  But will he put forth that minimal effort?

Yet, I also realize that we need sanitation workers and tire changers.  I don't pretend to have all of the answers, yet I do know that I abhor gov't mandates of what to do with my personal life and its choices.


Nice post. Much we could agree on. Much we could disagree on but in a very civil matter.
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Reply #32 - 10/09/13 at 12:33:39
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/09/13 at 12:18:26:
I would say that IF the goobs didnt steal us blind, we would all have more $$ with which to BE charitable..It is not the place of a government to dole out $$. Unless a local group does so locally,, it is not the feds job at all. The Big C lays out their job. They dont DO their job & they DO what isnt their job,,


Sometimes I'm not at all sure what you are saying.

Bush Sr spoke passionately and I believe with conviction about "A 1000 points of light" which was local community organizations working in hand with government to achieve good. He encouraged Americans to "get involved" as an expression of patriotism

Trouble is, no one steps up with the $$$. Here in Evansville we have one (sorta) free health clinic.  Not enough doctors volunteer their time. Not enough people with money give.  

A lot of people - the vast majority I think - when they have more money in their pockets do not first think they should give more to charities. The rich especially LOVE money. The Bible calls it the root of all evil.

It's not your sentiment I would disagree with. It's the reality you suggest.  
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Reply #33 - 10/09/13 at 12:36:43
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/05/13 at 04:16:41:
The problem is perfectly illustrated in Midnight's reply. There is practically nothing remotely true in it, yet millions believe it to be the truth.

The vast majority of our problem lays at the feet of our "independent" media. The have selected sides making it impossible for a fair discussion of ideas. If a Republican had done the things Hopey's done, it would be front page news 24/7 and he would never get electedor re-elected. How Romney lost despite the fact every economic indicator was down after 4 years of Hopey is a mystery to me. Sorry, but anyone who paid attention and voted for Hopey a second time is an idiot, flat out an idiot.

I vote Republican because I think their positions are morally superior and their economic ideas make far more sense than the Democratic alternatives.


This thread obviously interests me. Thanks Jerry for starting it.

See the bolded sentence. If this is a serious question - not rhetorical - I can answer it in just a paragraph. Two at the most.

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Reply #34 - 10/09/13 at 13:18:50
 
Tony -

Civility matters to me - a lot.  If you've encountered a guy on here named Starlifter, I've come to know him over the past 5 years.  He refers to himself as  democratic socialist.  No two people are farther apart, politically, than he and I.  Yet we have become friends, because we treat the other's views with respect.  You can respect an honest person with whom you don't agree, as you have demonstrated already.

Actually, the richest of the rich are the most charitable - Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are shining examples, as are most in their league.  The stingiest of all are the wannabes - those is the upper middle income class who are living beyond their means.

The cancer hospital at OSU that I mentioned earlier was endowed by Dr. Arthur G. James, a wealthy man here in Columbus, and a doctor in oncology.  An even wealthier man, Richard Solove, endowed the Solove Research Center, the research arm of the cancer hospital.  The entire OSU medical complex is named The Wexner Medical Center, for Les Wexner, the chairman of The Limited Stores, where my wife and daughter shop sometimes, who gave millions to the university, earmarked for the hospital.

The list could go on and on - another is St. Jude Children's Hospital, endowed by the late actor, Danny Thomas.  My point is simple - the truly rich are generally very charitable.
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Reply #35 - 10/09/13 at 13:39:15
 
Jerry the same goes for me when it comes to Star. We have PMed and Emailed each other numerous times. He served this country well even after Viet Nam. This country is a lot better off because of Star. He did things I couldn't begin to stomach and no matter what his politics are he will always be one of my heroes.
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Reply #36 - 10/09/13 at 17:24:35
 
Whaaaat? We havent had our military in anyting that mattered to US in my life.,.
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Reply #37 - 10/10/13 at 23:37:39
 
Tony I didn't vote for Obama the second time. The pubs run a man that made a living shipping jobs overseas, raping companies and leaving with a golden parachute, represented Monsanto, complained to poor people his car elevator would not work and the dumba$$ remark about the 42%. He agreed with everything Obama said about foreign relations, I and 80% of the country are sick and tired of foreign relations and people were tired of mass murderers like Bush.Your party practically elected Obama and you had the answer to lowering the debt and getting out of foreign relations right under your nose. I wrote in Ron Paul on the last election, your candidate would just created more problems like Obama.
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Reply #38 - 10/11/13 at 19:56:11
 
Midnightrider wrote on 10/10/13 at 23:37:39:
Tony I didn't vote for Obama the second time. The pubs run a man that made a living shipping jobs overseas, raping companies and leaving with a golden parachute, represented Monsanto, complained to poor people his car elevator would not work and the dumba$$ remark about the 42%. He agreed with everything Obama said about foreign relations, I and 80% of the country are sick and tired of foreign relations and people were tired of mass murderers like Bush.Your party practically elected Obama and you had the answer to lowering the debt and getting out of foreign relations right under your nose. I wrote in Ron Paul on the last election, your candidate would just created more problems like Obama.


why didn't you vote for Gary Johnson and give the Libertarian party another stat, makes as much sense as a write in
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Reply #39 - 10/13/13 at 15:30:40
 
LA, I never heard of Gary Johnson. Wasn't Ron Paul a Libertarian he just changed to Pub to be able to debate, he knows this country isn't ready for him, too many die hard party voters but he wanted his opinions to be heard.Just read an article on Tea Party.org (not everything they print can be considered the truth). This article said the people want 60% of ALL the politicians in Washington to be fired. Also said term limits should be reduced. Career politicians no longer have our best interest at heart. I could go for that LOL although there's a few Congressmen who will still stand up for the working man. LA to be honest I've never studied the Libertarian Party and what they stand for, maybe that will be my project for tomorrow. When I first came on this forum going on 5 years ago I was a leftist because our president was a liar and mass murderer. Now I'm swinging to the right because we have a muslim communist dictator who is trying to socialize the country and drive us deeper in debt. Really I just call myself a Constitutionalist because Obama has tried to do away with the 1rst, 2nd, and 4th amendment plus he's a huge liar. Hear impeachment talk everyday but Biden is probably the only thing saving Obama. No one wants him for President.
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