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Reply #30 - 09/02/13 at 05:02:07
 
Seems very unlikely it was a rebel accident. The problem is 1) the world's media went all in on the Iraq WMD mistake, 2) Hopey inspires zero trust with our allies, 3) he "bleeds"  incompetence,  so our enemies smell blood in the water and 4) they don't have a left wing media that's spent the last 5 years lying about how wonderful this smuck is. Russia doesn't give a crap about hope and change other than he's a boy out-matched on the world stage.

If congress says no, hopey's presidency is done. As much as I'd love to see him rendered useless so he can't do anymore harm, I'd rather see Assad on a slab.
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Reply #31 - 09/02/13 at 19:50:18
 
Unli9kely it was a rebel accident, but somehow MORE likely Assad( who has been WINNING) & who was warned,, you just declare what is more likely like you are some kinda whiz,, basedon what?
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Reply #32 - 09/02/13 at 20:06:15
 



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Reply #33 - 09/02/13 at 21:42:30
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/02/13 at 19:50:18:
Unli9kely it was a rebel accident, but somehow MORE likely Assad( who has been WINNING) & who was warned,, you just declare what is more likely like you are some kinda whiz,, basedon what?


You keep saying that Assad was winning and that is some sort of proof he wouldn't use his chemical questions. Great example of "rabbit reasoning" - just hop from one conclusion to another. Some people exceed the speed limit because they are running late so in a hurry. But lots of people speed for other reasons or no reason at all. So to - even if Syrian Goverment forces are winning doesn't mean they will restrict what weapons they will use.

But then who says they are winning?

What do you base this "Assad is winning" on?  If you look at the uprising from beginning to now, Assad winning doesn't hold up. The civil war war has been going on for what, 2.5 years now? The goverment forces managed to retake some rebel held areas in offensives waged April to June of this year. But since then the government forces have actually lost some pretty big fights, including the Menagh Miliatry Airbase and with the rebel capture of Kanasir the rebels have virtually cut off the city of Aleppo.  

Assad's forces are not winning. At great cost they push the rebels out of one area - only to lose nother. The FSA now controls enough area that they have moved their headquarters out of Turkey into Syria.

Assad's forces aren't winning. They are very slowly LOSING. Being worn down.  The FSA is recognized as the legitimate goverment by the Arab League. Goverment forces, while  they still have the ability, have tried  to deliver a knock out punch  by way of using chemical WMD.

And they will be punished for doing so.
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Reply #34 - 09/03/13 at 04:28:34
 
Sadam Hussain was "winning" and gassed his people. Dictators are not like normal people, they don't see things clearly. Kim jun whatshisname, claimed he had something like 10 hole-in-ones and the whole country celebrated! Assad is not normal in any sense of the word.
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Reply #35 - 09/03/13 at 15:09:52
 
Did Assad gas his own people? Probably. Intelligence gathered so far suggests he did. Somebody surly did. But they say we can’t bomb the stockpiles of gas as this would spread gas all over the place killing thousands of people.

Can we bomb Assad? Again they say no. With Assad gone terrorist factions will take over the country… So who or what are we supposed to bomb??

Will killing yet more people with bombs bring back the children gassed and burned? No. Remember the children in Vietnam screaming and burning when we used napalm all over the country? Remember the children bombed and burned in Iraq? We did that too for no good reason… Lets not go there again, lets learn from history.

This so-called “intelligence” claimed by the Israelis as a U.S. intercept raises a question about the integrity of this intelligence.

The entire Iraq debacle started with coc*k-sure “intelligence” about WMD. How’d that work out for us?

The Israelis have an interest in promoting a U.S. attack on Syria, and the authenticity of the alleged “intelligence” cannot be assumed.

What makes Syria important enough to step in? Countries are barbaric toward people all the time, and we usually don't step in. We didn't step in with Rwanda, Iran, or North Korea.

Here’s some “intelligence that CAN be verified. The people at the Pew Research Center is reporting on a poll showing that, by a 48 to 29 percent margin, more Americans oppose than support military airstrikes against Syria. An ABC News/Washington Post poll finds even stronger opposition to a missile strike, with nearly six in 10 opposed.

So what are these ongoing “hearings” to bring the case of intervention before the American people all about? Are the American people going to get to vote on intervention after the hearings? No.

I think we need to drastically reduce our interference in countries half way around the world. We don't have the money for this.

The US had dam*d well consider the consequences of utilizing ambiguous intelligence to justify an act of war.


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For lack of healthcare, we have people starving for lack of food, we have people living on the streets for lack of a house...

Yet we are preparing to spend billions on attacking Syria for humanitarian reasons? ...give me a break.



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Reply #36 - 09/03/13 at 20:43:31
 
For lack of healthcare, we have people starving for lack of food, we have people living on the streets for lack of a house...

Yet we are preparing to spend billions on attacking Syria for humanitarian reasons? ...give me a break.

TRUTH!


&, help me unnerstand this..

Assds forces are the cause of How  Many Dead? Why is it that Chemical weapons are somehow WORSE than being shot or blown up by amortar?m
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Reply #37 - 09/03/13 at 20:44:30
 
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100232698/syria-why-would-assad-...


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Reply #38 - 09/04/13 at 00:04:49
 
Just to redirect a bit. The OP's original post was about Obama and Biden preparing a military strike on Syria without Congressional approval. Something they had both criticized Bush for doing in 2007 as they campaigned for the 2008 Democratic Presidential nomination.

Obama has gone to Congress asking for authorization. Yesterday House leaders Boehner and Cantor indicated their support.

It's all over but the crying....
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Reply #39 - 09/04/13 at 05:00:24
 
you're correct Tony; they made some deals in the backroom and the GOP leadership has fallen in step. I wonder what Hopey gave up in return, because he surely did. We will probably never know for sure until someone writes a book 10 years from now.

So, now what? Just like our 'rush' to war with Iraq; Syria has moved everything that was a target into neighborhoods. Intelligence has been tracking as best they can, but there is no element of surprise. You can predict what's going to happen next: the US blows up a few things, news reports show dead children, wailing mothers, shock and outrage at what the US did, Assad remains in power another few months and status quo continues.
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Reply #40 - 09/04/13 at 06:06:22
 
I believe you to be spot on, Web.


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Reply #41 - 09/04/13 at 07:18:48
 
Ohh, you KNOW there were favors traded..or, maybe just whispers in ears, explaining what dirt they had on them,,
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Reply #42 - 09/04/13 at 07:42:34
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/30/13 at 11:40:48:
Seems pretty clear it was a chemical attack. Also seems clear the rebels had no capability of doing this. 1426 fatalities is what they're listing as confirmed.


You and Tony S fell for the reckless prewar hucksterism. The rebels are responsible for the attack, not Assad. The attack was not a military grade chemical. The American backed Al Qaida Sunni rebels fired a homemade locally manufactured rocket containing a form of chlorine known as CL17, easily available as a swimming pool cleaner. Syrian soldiers were among those killed in the town of Khan al-Assal whose population is mostly Shia.

Any thinking person should ask why would Assad use chemical weapons when he was winning? Why would he use chemical weapons on the day that the UN chemical weapons inspectors that he invited arrive? .... and arrive in the same area near the attack?

Your source of info must be those darned "official propaganda sources" that have so badly misinformed you so often in the past. I bet you miss Syrian Danny, don't you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lWB5ssifTg

I say to you and any others that support starting WWIII, print this form, fill it out, sign it, then run, hurry, don't diddly daddle, get to the nearest recruiter and get your target azz over there.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/military_enlistment.pdf
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Reply #43 - 09/04/13 at 07:48:58
 
The FIRST story they heard & Believed was

Assad used chemicals

They cant look past it. ImeanREALLY,, America, KNOWN for using its military says

Use chemicals & We are coming

& then he does it? Giveme a break,
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Reply #44 - 09/04/13 at 07:52:07
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/04/13 at 07:48:58:
The FIRST story they heard & Believed was

Assad used chemicals

They cant look past it. ImeanREALLY,, America, KNOWN for using its military says

Use chemicals & We are coming

& then he does it? Giveme a break,
What's scary to me is that Israel wants the US to attack Iran. Syria is the doorway to Iran. The propaganda isn't working as desired. Will Israel repeat a USS Liberty like false flag?
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