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Reply #15 - 08/30/13 at 13:01:04
 
Starlifter wrote on 08/30/13 at 12:27:47:
How about we demand that other Middle Eastern countries take action NOW! Or we cut off all their funding, munitions sales, imports etc.  


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Reply #16 - 08/30/13 at 13:05:32
 
Dammit! I agree too!
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Reply #17 - 08/30/13 at 14:21:27
 
is like in the 1950's southern sheriffs  saying that black people committed suicide by jumping in water with concrete blocks and chains.


Actually, those were swimming contests... At least according to Forrest County MS. Among others...

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Reply #18 - 08/30/13 at 15:39:05
 
Starlifter wrote on 08/30/13 at 12:27:47:
How about we demand that other Middle Eastern countries take action NOW! Or we cut off all their funding, munitions sales, imports etc.  


You want to offer a reason as to why we don't?
To me your suggestion makes a lot of sense, and they must be at more of a threat from them than us, so what am I, or more to point, Obama missing that he doesn't see it the same way we do?
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Reply #19 - 08/30/13 at 17:26:19
 
Could it be that the arms industries (as the other wars wind down) are finding themselves ‘overstocked’ with certain items like …oh say, multi-million dollar cruise missiles??

And could it be that the Military Industrial Complex has more to say in who calls the shots in foreign policy than the president or the congress??

...Nah, not here in today’s Amerika.

President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us about the military-industrial complex.

The old general's wisdom has gone unheeded.
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Reply #20 - 08/30/13 at 18:24:31
 
I've seen enough of what that guy's doing to innocent children...

I don't want troops, or 10 years of occupation,... but, blow that sum'itchin' giant sloth into the afterlife...

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Reply #21 - 08/30/13 at 19:19:37
 
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Reply #22 - 08/30/13 at 23:30:14
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/30/13 at 18:24:31:
...but, blow that sum'itchin' giant sloth into the afterlife...


PS... I know what's coming... and don't even go there...
Saddam gassed people... (horrible)... but it was 10 years prior to our "outrage"...
At the time,... we gave a wink and a nod,... and PappyBush sent Rumsfeld to shake on it...
We did nothing... but help...

This is happening now... and we should smack that hand, now...  
Political disagreements... we should negotiate...
Human travesties... we must condemn... and in a timely manner...

10 years before the Iraq invasion... we could have scolded Saddam... threatened to revoke billions in support... or even threatened to put a bullet in his head...
We didn't... We shook his hand...
We wanted his oil...
We weren't outraged until he attacked our bigger oil supplier... Kuwait... (they were side drilling into Saddam's oil fields)...
That started the feud... Saddam wanted revenge on Bush...
Bush II found an excuse to get back...
911,... nope...
Weapons of mass destruction... nope...
Invasion of Kuwait,... nope...
Harboring Osama,... nope...
Genocide of his own people,... Bingo!...(10 years late, but, who cares)...

This is happening now... it is real...
It isn't some conspiracy...
We smack that hand...

It's time to be good guy again...
We strayed, but we are on the right track again...
Conventions of war have become necessary in the modern age...
Mass violence is too easy...
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Reply #23 - 08/31/13 at 05:07:41
 
If we're not going to specifically target and kill Assad, then what's the point of blowing up military installations and killing low level ground troops and janitors?
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Reply #24 - 08/31/13 at 05:09:41
 
.....and your Middle East history lesson is a bit out of wack, but the bigger point is when dictators gas children, yes, it's our responsibility to send them on to the next world.
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Reply #25 - 08/31/13 at 06:05:05
 

As usual,  a brilliant piece if writing by Mark Steyn



I see the Obama “reset” is going so swimmingly that the president is now threatening to go to war against a dictator who gassed his own people. Don’t worry, this isn’t anything like the dictator who gassed his own people that the discredited warmonger Bush spent 2002 and early 2003 staggering ever more punchily around the country inveighing against. The 2003 dictator who gassed his own people was the leader of the Baath Party of Iraq. The 2013 dictator who gassed his own people is the leader of the Baath Party of Syria. Whole other ball of wax. The administration’s ingenious plan is to lose this war in far less time than we usually take. In the unimprovable formulation of an unnamed official speaking to the Los Angeles Times, the White House is carefully calibrating a military action “just muscular enough not to get mocked.”

That would make a great caption for a Vanity Fair photo shoot of Obama gamboling in the surf at Martha’s Vineyard, but as a military strategy it’s not exactly Alexander the Great or the Duke of Wellington. And it’s trickier than it sounds: I’m sure Miley’s choreographer assured her she was “just muscular enough not to get mocked,” and one wouldn’t want to see the United States reduced to twerking arrhythmically to no avail in front of an unimpressed Bashar Assad’s Robin Thicke. Okay, okay, that metaphor’s as thinly stretched as Miley’s talent, so what does unmockable musculature boil down to? From the New York Times: “A wide range of officials characterize the action under consideration as ‘limited,’ perhaps lasting no more than a day or two.”

Yeah, I know, that’s what Edward III said about the Hundred Years’ War. But Obama seems to mean it:

An American official said that the initial target lists included fewer than 50 sites, including air bases where Syria’s Russian-made attack helicopters are. The list includes command and control centers as well as a variety of conventional military targets. Perhaps two to three missiles would be aimed at each site.

Got that? So, if you’re a Syrian air-base commander, you might want to think about moving those Russian helicopters, or at least yourself — perhaps to that black-eyed cutie’s apartment, above the restaurant where the kibbeh with the pomegranate sauce is to die for, just for the night, until the Great Satan has twerked his ordnance at you twice or thrice and gone away to threaten the Yemenis or Somalis or whoever’s next.

In the world’s most legalistic culture, it was perhaps inevitable that battle plans would eventually be treated under courtroom discovery rules and have to be disclosed to the other side in your pre-war statement. But in this case it doesn’t seem to be impressing anyone. Like his patrons in Tehran and Moscow, Assad’s reaction to American threats is to double up with laughter and say, “Bring it, twerkypants.” Headline from Friday’s Guardian in London: “Syria: ‘Napalm’ Bomb Dropped on School Playground, BBC Claims” — which, if true, suggests that even a blood-soaked mass murderer is not without a sense of humor. Napalm, eh? There’s a word I haven’t heard since, oh, 40 years ago or thereabouts, somewhere in the general vicinity of southeast Asia.

The BBC footage is grisly; the British media have been far more invested in the Syrian civil war than their U.S. colleagues. But what’s the net effect of all the harrowing human-interest stories? This week, David Cameron recalled Parliament from its summer recess to permit the people’s representatives to express their support for the impending attack. Instead, for the first time since the British defeat at Yorktown in 1782, the House of Commons voted to deny Her Majesty’s Government the use of force. Under the Obama “reset,” even the Coalition of the Willing is unwilling. “It’s clear to me that the British Parliament and the British people do not wish to see military action,” said the prime minister. So the Brits are out, and, if he goes at all, Obama will be waging war without even Austin Powers’s Union Jack fig leaf.

“This House will not fight for king and country”? Not exactly. What the British people are sick of, quite reasonably enough, is ineffectual warmongering, whether in the cause of Blairite liberal interventionism or of Bush’s big-power assertiveness. The problem with the American way of war is that, technologically, it can’t lose, but, in every other sense, it can’t win. No one in his right mind wants to get into a tank battle or a naval bombardment with the guys responsible for over 40 percent of the planet’s military expenditures. Which is why these days there aren’t a lot of tank battles. The consummate interventionist Robert Kagan wrote in his recent book that the American military “remains unmatched.” It’s unmatched in the sense that the only guy in town with a tennis racket isn’t going to be playing a lot of tennis matches. But the object of war, in Liddell Hart’s famous distillation, is not to destroy the enemy’s tanks (or Russian helicopters) but his will. And on that front America loses, always. The “unmatched” superpower cannot impose its will on Kabul kleptocrats, Pashtun goatherds, Egyptian generals, or Benghazi militia. There is no reason to believe Syria would be an exception to this rule. America’s inability to win ought to be a burning national question, but it’s not even being asked.

Let us stipulate that many of those war-weary masses are ignorant and myopic. But at a certain level they grasp something that their leaders don’t: For a quarter-century, from Kuwait to Kosovo to Kandahar, the civilized world has gone to war only in order to save or liberate Muslims. The Pentagon is little more than central dispatch for the U.S. military’s Muslim Fast Squad. And what do we have to show for it? Liberating Syria isn’t like liberating the Netherlands: In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy. Yes, those BBC images of schoolchildren with burning flesh are heart-rending. So we’ll get rid of Assad and install the local branch of al-Qaeda or the Muslim Brotherhood or whatever plucky neophyte democrat makes it to the presidential palace first — and then, instead of napalmed schoolyards, there will be, as in Egypt, burning Christian churches and women raped for going uncovered.

So what do we want in Syria? Obama can’t say, other than for him to look muscular without being mocked, like a camp bodybuilder admiring himself in the gym mirror.

Oh, well. If the British won’t be along for the ride, the French are apparently still in. What was the old gag from a decade ago during those interminable U.N. resolutions with Chirac saying “Non!” every time? Ah, yes: “Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.” Oddly enough, the worst setback for the Islamic imperialists in recent years has been President Hollande’s intervention in Mali, where, unlike the money-no-object Pentagon, the French troops had such undernourished supply lines that they had to hitch a ride to the war on C-17 transports from the Royal Air Force and Royal Canadian Air Force. And yet they won — insofar as anyone ever really wins on that benighted sod.

Meanwhile, the hyperpower is going to war because Obama wandered off prompter and accidentally made a threat. So he has to make good on it, or America will lose its credibility. But he only wants to make good on it in a perfunctory and ineffectual way. So America will lose its credibility anyway.

Maybe it’s time to learn the accordion....
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Reply #26 - 08/31/13 at 08:20:01
 
It's time to be good guy again...
We strayed, but we are on the right track again...
Conventions of war have become necessary in the modern age...
Mass violence is too easy...


AND......

violence begets violence.
always has, always will.
that is "mass" thinking realized and justifying of hate.

I say arm the whole world....
this one is toast and an ark won't make no difference this time  Grin
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Reply #27 - 08/31/13 at 08:44:34
 
All this in spite of the evidence Assadhad nothingto do withit.

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Reply #28 - 08/31/13 at 13:22:07
 
Now what you all got to say? If we go, can't cry constitutional crisis flip-flopping talk out one side of your mouth do the other impeach the bastich'

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-to-make-1-15-p-m--statement-on-syria-161723103.html
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Reply #29 - 08/31/13 at 21:45:13
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/31/13 at 08:44:34:
All this in spite of the evidence Assadhad nothingto do withit.




Permission to attack the wrongpeople,, whoopee
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