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Oldfeller--FSO Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline Hobby is now "concentrated neuropany" Posts: 12671 Fayetteville, NC Gender:	Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Reply #15 - 07/08/13 at 10:00:33 Yup, I hates it too -- I use black sealant on my black engine and silver sealant on my silver engine. I also peel the excess off when it is just shy of full cure (still stretches and pulls free & clear & clean like a rubber band, it does)
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RobSchneider Junior Member Offline what? Posts: 72	Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Reply #16 - 07/09/13 at 01:04:54 wow Dave, that looks awful! Happy I bought some grey sealant, I used it before (tiny bit) and it was nice an tidy. So I dont have to seal the engine to cilinder gasket, only the cilinderhead and cover?
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87 savage Full Member Offline Gone riding! Posts: 249 Maine Gender:	Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Reply #17 - 07/09/13 at 01:50:41 Dave, is that orange stuff some kind of mold or fungus? I couldn't find Suzukibond local so I used Hondabond HT on the crank halves and cylinder head cover. $12 for a tube. Worked great and no leaks. The HT is for gasketless metal to metal.
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Reply #18 - 07/09/13 at 04:58:00

Those two pictures of the orange gasket goo are not any bike I have worked on....they are just pictures I grabbed off another post in the technical section. I believe it is the high temperature stuff from Permatex.....not sure.

They cylinder head temperature guage that I have shows that the temperatures are generally under 300 degrees - you might get a bit higher if you are in traffic or the desert. I woudl think the temperatures are never going to be over 320 degrees....ever. I looked at the Permatex site and all of their products are good to 400 degrees, the high temperature ones are good to 600 degrees.

I bought the Suzukibond....or ou could use Hondabond or Yamabond. They are all made specifically to seal motorycle engines.

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RobSchneider Junior Member Offline what? Posts: 72	Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Reply #19 - 07/09/13 at 11:04:56 Dave wrote on 07/08/13 at 06:28:23: I never use gasket sealer on the gaskets....and neither did the factory. The center of the case halves and the head cover get sealer. What do you mean by 'center of the case halves'? Can't seem to figure that out...
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Reply #20 - 07/09/13 at 14:33:38

RobSchneider wrote on 07/09/13 at 11:04:56:

Dave wrote on 07/08/13 at 06:28:23:

I never use gasket sealer on the gaskets....and neither did the factory. The center of the case halves and the head cover get sealer.

What do you mean by 'center of the case halves'?
Can't seem to figure that out...

The left half of the engine case joins the right half at the centerline of the engine. Look for a seam right down the middle of your engine. You can easily see it at the front center of the engine.....see that vertical line down the center of the engine?

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Reply #21 - 07/10/13 at 02:11:54

Dave wrote on 07/09/13 at 14:33:38:

RobSchneider wrote on 07/09/13 at 11:04:56:

Dave wrote on 07/08/13 at 06:28:23:

I never use gasket sealer on the gaskets....and neither did the factory. The center of the case halves and the head cover get sealer.

What do you mean by 'center of the case halves'?
Can't seem to figure that out...

The left half of the engine case joins the right half at the centerline of the engine. Look for a seam right down the middle of your engine. You can easily see it at the front center of the engine.....see that vertical line down the center of the engine?

Sorry, don't fully understand.
Maybe it's because I only took of the cylinderhead and the sidecover. I have not taken the engine apart?

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Reply #22 - 07/10/13 at 05:04:48

RobSchneider wrote on 07/10/13 at 02:11:54:

Dave wrote on 07/09/13 at 14:33:38:

RobSchneider wrote on 07/09/13 at 11:04:56:

Dave wrote on 07/08/13 at 06:28:23:

I never use gasket sealer on the gaskets....and neither did the factory. The center of the case halves and the head cover get sealer.

What do you mean by 'center of the case halves'?
Can't seem to figure that out...

The left half of the engine case joins the right half at the centerline of the engine. Look for a seam right down the middle of your engine. You can easily see it at the front center of the engine.....see that vertical line down the center of the engine?

Sorry, don't fully understand.
Maybe it's because I only took of the cylinderhead and the sidecover. I have not taken the engine apart?

Sorry to have confused you. If you are only working on the cylinder and head.....you don't need to worry about the case halves. You only need to go there for crank, bearing or transmission troubles. Chances are you will be better off to buy a good used engine instead of splitting the cases and doing any work....parts are expensive when you break stuff down there. In the attached photo....look for the seam that runs dow the center of th engine. The case halves must be seperated to get the crank or transmission accessible.

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Reply #23 - 07/10/13 at 06:05:13

I see Dave, thank you for the good help!
I didn't take the halves apart so gladly there's no problem Cheesy

The engine is already assembled again, I have to place a few helicoils though in the headcover (the smal caps on the sides were a little too tight the previous time and I can't apply the specific torque anymore...

As I was looking in the holes, I did see that they are nog all the way drilled, so my guess is that I can dril the hole to put helicoils in without having to take of the headcover again...

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Reply #24 - 07/10/13 at 16:57:49 be easier if it was off, imo. id want a drill press.
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Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels?
Reply #25 - 08/12/13 at 21:00:57

Dave wrote on 07/09/13 at 04:58:00:

.....I believe it is the high temperature stuff from Permatex.....not sure.....

For the record, the subject sealant looks exactly like

Permatex® Ultra Copper® Maximum Temperature RTV Silicone Gasket Maker

I used to use this sealant on my head cover. It worked OK, but after about 4000 miles or so, I started getting some oil weepage. So, I quit using it.....

It's good stuff though - I've had great luck with it in other applications.

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