Pine wrote on 07/05/13 at 10:44:25:


What govt is this you're talking about ?

Seriously the whole bravado about "let me keep my guns and I'll protect myself" ... is all the 4 walls of your tiny room, compared to what is nationally @ risk.

Cool.
Srinath

srinath wrote on 07/05/13 at 11:01:45:


Sri we are agreeing with you!

Can I protect myself?? NO!!!!!!! But I would rather die with all my freedoms intact,,, living my life unhindered... not wondering when I will made "disappeared" for some mis-dialed phone call. Than to life as "kept" and "protected".

Nothing ... nothing is more important than freedom. National Security .. either it serves ME and my freedom... or I am enslaved to it. Many country's enjoy a higher standard of living than the US... don't think I want to move Arabia any time soon. I could probably earn more money in CHINA than here... but money is not the point.  Hell, if I want to be "protected" I would move to North Korea.

Now to be sure, an intelligence machine is needed, and classified info that I don't need to know about and all. And sure, efforts and diligence is needed to protect the country at large. But the second that "national security" reduces the liberty and freedom of everyone, not based on crimes or even intent.. but simply based phishing... the line is crossed.  The USA system relies on the assumption of innocence. The phone logs assumes the guilt of everyone.

Snowden, I wish we had a 100 just like him. We cant keep the government in check. They do things behind our backs and we have no say so, patriot act, homeland security, Federal Reserve, drones overhead, national database, Monsanto poisoning, ruined our childrens education and I could go on. The government has gone wild worrying about us but they're not worried about our safety. They're worried about guys like me who have just about had enough of their sh!t. They'll pass a bill when they know 80 or 90% of the people are against it. They don't want us to have the ability to defend or attack, no 2nd amendment. They're doing illegal searches and getting away with it. Theres no one to police them. Anything they do is OK and the people have no say. I wish I could be Warren Buffet for one day and anyone that leaks damming information would be an instant millionaire. They're spending more on the rest of the globe when they could be putting our people to work on the infrastructure instead of handing them food stamps. Our people are sick of our foreign policy but once elected our politicians do nothing about it. Obama sux, he's done nothing but lie and try to cover his a$$ and do away with half the constitution.. He's done nothing he promised to do. His insurance plan sux and I know a couple good doctors who told me the day it goes into effect they're through. Congress screwed that up, I'll lay the blame where it lies. They're crying about welfare, SS. If I had the money I paid in I would be a millionaire, now they don't want to give some of it back. The middle class is a thing of the past that use to keep this country running, Nafta and a few more agreements has made the middle class a dinosaur. We haven't had a president we could trust since JFK. He was killed because he was gonna blow the whistle.