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--Steve

Dane Allen wrote on 07/11/13 at 11:08:20:

A boy was killed...  a boy with no harmful intention,.. walking home, unarmed, carrying an iced tea, and candy...
He wasn't going anywhere to do anything wrong... he was walking in the direction of his home...
You really think his death doesn't deserve his killer even going to trial?...

If he had killed Zimmerman would you want a trial?...
That is,.. if the unarmed boy had managed to kill his armed attacker with his bare hands?...
...

Here's is why I no longer tend to participate in the TT...
The arguments have become ridiculous....
Whether you believe Mr.Z is guilty or not,... a trial must be deemed necessary by any reasonable person...

Fact is,... if Zimm had not been armed,... this would not have happened...
Zimm had his macho on,.. and felt invulnerable... he was the root cause of the incident... and he, being armed, and a legal adult, in a public place, had the responsibility to use better judgement...
He's lucky I'm not on the jury...

The arguments have become ridiculous....

Not sure how you can say that?.... How is it a ridiculous argument to say that this has been made into a race case when nothing, repeat NOTHING during the actual event indicated it was such. I posted the transcript of the call; now you look thru it and tell me where you see race as an issue?  

There had been break ins and he saw a kid he didn't know standing in the rain. Like I said before, if that's my neighborhood, and there's a watch guy on duty, he better darn well take a second look.

You want ridiculous arguments? Read your own post.

If this had been Tom Hanks... walking with a soda, some candy, and a cell phone,... would this be in the news?... would this have happened?...
Could this boy have made himself white to avoid this?...

I suppose he could have not worn a hoodie sweatshirt... but, I'll bet there are more "Hoodies" sold to white kids than black kids...
Minus that,.. he couldn't be less threatening...
Talking to his girl, carrying a drink, and candy... walking home...
... unless his color is a threat...

Again where in the transcripts of the call could you have gotten any idea Zimmerman targeted him because he was black? Specifically point that out for us.


,... a trial must be deemed necessary by any reasonable person...

No, if both had been black, white or Hispanic, none of us would have heard about this and there would have been no trial. It was turned into something it wasn't by race baiters such as yourself (as demonstrated above) and a host of others who need to keep themselves in the public eye.

Now if the sh*t hits the fan, you'll take the crap you helped to start and use it to stir up even more crap. Nice going...

The racism Mr. Mark is coming from you and others here....Race wars? Blacks looting and burning cities? Blacks mowing down white people? All this and more if Zimmerman gets off? Isn't just saying these things racist?

...I don't know what to make of all of this?? I can only shake my head and wonder...

Why are so many here defending this murderer??

Perhaps the gun people are afraid that a conviction will cast a shadow on the nation's 'Stand Your Ground' laws, and that due to the abuse or misapplication of the law, it may be repealed?

Quote: "No, if both had been black, white or Hispanic, none of us would have heard about this and there would have been no trial. It was turned into something it wasn't by race baiters such as yourself (as demonstrated above) and a host of others who need to keep themselves in the public eye." WM

No, it goes like this: If the police had arrested Zimmerman immediately after the killing (as they should have), this case would not have been much of a national issue at all.

...and so it goes.

The racism Mr. Mark is coming you and others here....Race wars? Blacks looting and burning cities? Blacks mowing down white people? All this and more if Zimmerman gets off? Isn't just saying these things racist?

No, it's not. Only people like you think it is. Explain to me how that's racist? In fact, why do you give me your definition of racism? Type out what in your mind racism is. People have different "working" definitions of words so let me hear yours.

Why are people "defending" this "murderer"?

For the same reasons I have to put words in quotes. You've made this into something it's not. You pushed until lines were drawn in the sand and forced sides to be chosen.

I'm not defending Zimmerman but I'm defending your push to railroad someone who is not a murderer.

If I'm in that neighborhood, I want someone looking long and hard at a kid he doesn't know standing in the rain. As was said, the neighborhood had seen its share of break ins. Here, read the article below (put aside your hatred of coulter, she's a brilliant researcher) and tell me honestly, if you lived there, do you think Zimmerman watching a kid standing in the rain was unreasonable?

This week, instead of attacking a Hispanic senator, Marco Rubio, I will defend a Hispanic citizen, George Zimmerman, on trial for the murder of Trayvon Martin. (Zimmerman would make a better senator.)

It's becoming painfully obvious why no charges were brought against Zimmerman in this case -- until Al Sharpton got involved. All the eyewitness accounts, testimony, ballistics and forensics keep backing up Zimmerman. We should send a big, fat bill for the whole thing to Sharpton, courtesy of MSNBC.

With the prosecution's witnesses making the defense's case, the inquisitors' last stand is to claim that, if the races were reversed, the black guy would have been instantly charged with murder. As explained in The New York Times:

"Had Mr. Martin shot and killed Mr. Zimmerman under similar circumstances, black leaders say, the case would have barreled down a different path: Mr. Martin would have been quickly arrested by the Sanford Police Department and charged in the killing, without the benefit of the doubt." (Also, CNN could have dropped the "white" and referred to Zimmerman exclusively as "Hispanic.")

The people who say this are counting on the rest of us being too polite to mention that it is nearly impossible to imagine such a case in a world where half of all murders and a majority of robberies are committed by blacks. To reverse the races with the same set of facts, first, we're going to need a gated, mixed-race community, similar to the Retreat at Twin Lakes, that has recently experienced a rash of robberies by white guys. The only way to do that is to enter "The Twilight Zone."

There were at least eight burglaries in the 14 months before Zimmerman's encounter with Martin. Numerous media accounts admit that "most" of these were committed by black males. I'm waiting to hear about a single crime at Twin Lakes that was not committed by a black male.


Just six months before Zimmerman's encounter with Martin, two men had broken into the home of a neighbor, Olivia Bertalan, while she was alone with her infant son. She had just enough time to call 911 before running upstairs and locking herself in a room. The burglars knew she was home, but proceeded to rob the place anyway, even trying to enter the locked room where she held her crying child.

Bertalan had seen the burglars just before they broke into her house -- one at the front door and one at the back. They were young black males. They lived in the Retreat by Twin Lakes.

In another case, a black teenager strode up to Zimmerman's house and, in broad daylight, stole a bicycle off the front porch. The bike was never recovered.

Weeks before Zimmerman saw Martin, he witnessed another young black male peering into the window of a neighbor's house. He called the cops, but by the time they arrived, the suspect was gone.

A few days later, another house was burglarized. The thieves made off with jewelry and a new laptop. Roofers working across the street had seen two black teenagers near the house at the time of the robbery. When they spotted one of the teens the next day, they called the police.

This time, the roofers followed the suspect so he wouldn't get away. The cops arrived and found the stolen laptop in his backpack. This was the same black teenager Zimmerman had seen looking in a neighbor's window.

The only reason it's hard to imagine the Zimmerman case with the races reversed is that it's hard to imagine a white teenager living in a mixed-race, middle-class community, mugging a black homeowner. This is not a problem of society's reactions, but of the facts.

There is, however, at least one case of a black homeowner fatally shooting a white troublemaker. He was not charged with murder.

In 2006, the ironically named John White was sound asleep at his nice Long Island home when his teenage son woke him to say there was a mob of white kids shouting epithets in front of the house. The family was in no imminent danger. They could have called 911 and remained safely behind locked doors.

But White grabbed a loaded Beretta and headed out to the end of the driveway to confront the mob. A scuffle ensued and White ended up shooting one of the kids in the face, killing him.

White was charged and convicted only of illegal weapons possession -- this was New York, after all -- and involuntary manslaughter. He was sentenced to 20 months-to-four years in prison, but after serving five months was pardoned by Gov. David Paterson.

With all due compassion for the kid who was killed, the public was overwhelmingly on the father's side -- a fact still evident in Internet postings about the case. The kids were punks menacing a law-abiding homeowner. Even the prosecutor complained only that Paterson hadn't called the victim's family first. The local NAACP had campaigned aggressively on White's behalf. There were no threats to riot in case of an acquittal.

The centerpiece of White's self-defense argument was his recollection of his grandfather's stories about the Ku Klux Klan. George Zimmerman's memory of young black males committing crimes at Twin Lakes is somewhat more recent.

John White wasn't jumped, knocked to the ground, repeatedly punched, and his skull knocked against the ground. He wasn't even touched, though he claimed the white teen was lunging at him. Talk about no reason to "follow," there was no reason for him to leave the safety of his locked home. White's son knew the kids by name. They could have waited for the cops.

So, yes, this case probably would be very different if Zimmerman and Martin's races were reversed. It is only when the victim is black that we must have a show trial, a million-dollar reward paid to the victim's parents and the threat of riots.

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OK. How about this. Travon threw the first punch. Broke Zimmermans nose. Had him on the ground pounding his head into the sidewalk.
Even if Zimmerman is the biggest racist piece of crap that ever walked the earth(which I don't happen to think is the case, but that doesn't matter)he still has a right to protect himself from harm. The legal question here is whether or not the amount of force he used to do that was justified. Everything else is irrelevant. If you can't see that this case has been turned into a show trial about racial politics then you're either not paying attention or you are so blinded by your own preconceved notions, that you can't see what's plain as day.

Sri, keep your incomprehensible comments out of this.