87% of gun shootings are done by minorities. Please don't label me as a racist, that's just the way things are. You take out our minority shootings and we have less than most European countries.

I'm sure 90% of gun shootings are done by guns brought from other states.


YOu dont have one iota of evidence to back that up. What you DO know is, they werent bought in Chicago,.,

We cant even stop things as big as human beings from crossing our border. How you gonna stop somethin as small as a GUN from crossing a state line?

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Not exactly true. Under the "gun control" system here in NY I am prevented from buying a lot of guns. Even after undergoing a background check to prove I'm not a criminal- and in the case of handguns only after obtaining a a very expensive and somewhat difficult to obtain premit granted by the state - am I allowed to buy SOME guns. Only the ones that NYS has decided are OK. If I want a gun that NYS doesn't approve of I'm out of luck.  Same thing is true in several other states. It's not a huge leap to get from being allowed to only buy SOME guns to being allowed to buy NO guns.

There are a lot of people in our government who think the 2nd amendment is just an obstacle to implementing their agenda. They will try to circumvent it any way they can.

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Right. But what's happening in New York and some other places is much more insidious than just requiring a tax stamp  for something that would otherwise be prohibited. They are controling what specific firearms can be legally sold in the state; period. Just keep putting guns on that list year after year and pretty soon - BINGO - can't sell anything. Legal dealers,who are already regulated to death, will dissapear. For all practical purposes then you have almost total gun prohibition. The 2nd amendment or even any federal law notwithstanding.

If the feds decide to try something like this, and are ever even partly succesful, we are going to be in trouble.

Dane Allen wrote on 06/18/13 at 14:04:01:


How ? this was a driveby wasn't it.
So both sides weren't armed in the driveby ? So a gang was shooting @ a gang of pacifists ?
And if both sides were armed, ready and actively shooting @ each other ... instead of just 1 - there will be fewer deaths ?
Is that in all cases of drive by's or just this 1.

OK I should say that if there was a driveby and the side not in the car returned fire effectively ... they may not have returned the favor of the driveby on the other gang's turf ... or maybe they would have ...  

Cool.
Srinath.

srinath wrote on 06/18/13 at 17:03:56:


I mean whether the guns were obtained locally or out of the area made no difference. And in regard to the total number of deaths, there would be less without all these gun restrictions. As we all can see, criminals won't follow the laws but the citizens will and will become easy targets.

First things first, thank you for not hacking away at me simply because I participated in this thread.

At first glance, by reading my post it may seem I am advocating mafia. I am not.
The message I tries to get across is that Mafia wants the city to be shipshape, clean as a fiddle, so that "business" can go on as usual.

Create fracas, and the Police will go ape. Whereas "kill a cop" may be a "rite of passage", it is just as true nobody wants an extra 1000 troopers shipped in because DoJ is foaming at the mouth.

As for the issue about the Chinese, no, it was not a chinese gang raping a girl, it was a young (late teens) mother clutching her baby who was taken, kidnapped and gandraped to death. Literally.

The Police went on the hunt, but the chinese community was mounrning and very tight-lipped, and by the few and broken witness reports obtained, the perpetrators were "possibly fomr the Middle East". Who knows, maybe they were.

What is certain, two young NorthAfricans (from Morocco) were found... one hung to a tree with his hand tied behind his back - clearly a suicide...
...the other beaten to hamburger standards...

(Yes, there was a case of 5 chinese gang-raping an Italian girl, one of these was the son of a High ranking diplomat. He was arrested all the same, there are ways you can waive diplomatic immunity and throw the guy in jail if you really want to.)

Anyway, back to the "Mafia" discussion, what I meant is that the Mafia will ensure that there are no "mad dogs", no "independent" petty criminals running about, because it raises public outcry for more law and order.

So, how does all this apply to "restoring Law and Order" ?

Make it extremely NOT worth it to break the rules.
Shoot first - a very unpopular move, but sometimes it will save lives.
When in Court, apply max. sentence, let them rot in jail waiting for the appeals Copurt to summon you.
Paradrop illegal criminals back where they came from; no need to fly, land and fly back, just open the hatch and geronimo! they're going, going, going... gone.
Soylent Green... inmates should be well fed...
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