From an AP story.....

Bo knows, or knew, or depends on what is, is....but whistles a different tune now.

Excerpt: The Bush administration shut down its warrantless wiretapping program in 2007 but endorsed a new law, the Protect America Act, which allowed the wiretapping to continue with changes: The NSA generally would have to explain its techniques and targets to a secret court in Washington, but individual warrants would not be required.

Congress approved it, with Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in the midst of a campaign for president, voting against it.

"This administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we provide," Obama said in a speech two days before that vote. "I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our Constitution and our freedom."

That was then, this is now:

A few months after Obama took office in 2009, the surveillance debate reignited in Congress because the NSA had crossed the line. Eavesdroppers, it turned out, had been using their warrantless wiretap authority to intercept far more emails and phone calls of Americans than they were supposed to.

Obama, no longer opposed to the wiretapping, made unspecified changes to the process. The government said the problems were fixed.

"I came in with a healthy skepticism about these programs," Obama explained recently. "My team evaluated them. We scrubbed them thoroughly. We actually expanded some of the oversight, increased some of the safeguards."

Years after decrying Bush for it, Obama said Americans did have to make tough choices in the name of safety.

"You can't have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience," the president said.

This guy is a tool, and those who back him regardless, are useful fools. I remember his opposition to raise the debt ceiling,   under Bush, I agreed with him, now, all that he argued against, he has embraced.....

Power, corruption, and pandering to the mass ignorant of the entitlement mentality has left this country in bad shape. Middle class made this nation, period. Hard work and self worth provided family, and community, with a healthy outlook and future. Divisiveness under the guise of diversity has undermined it to a point of no return.

Our "security" is NOT the knight in shining armor that will restore us, no matter who the odd bedfellows be on the matter...

The helluvitizzz,, THEY want to "Protect" us,, & theyre gonna do what it takews to get US to DEMand they protect us. There Will be terrorism that Could have been stopped, If ONLY our Loving Goobs had had more power & WE had had less privacy.

Was a time in America when the pres inspired the people with

There is nothing to fear besides Fear itself

Now the goobs say

Be afraid! Be very afraid!

"Was a time in America when the pres inspired the people with "There is nothing to fear besides Fear itself." JOG

...That all ended when Kennedy was snuffed for going after the wrong people...(read FR,)

So, and then there was Bobby....he went after the mob. Big mistake...huge.

After that, the Presidents...(got the message.) YOU ARE NOT IN CHARGE! Even Regan was just a figurehead...they would roll him out like a cardboard cut-out of himself. He would spout a few folksy platitudes (well rehearsed), and the people loved it! All the while there were sh!tloads of of neferious activity going on behind the curtain.

I even may give Bush a pass...maybe the only thing he was guilty of was being stupid.

"The helluvitizzz,, THEY want to "Protect" us". JOG

...'sneer'...protect us from what??...Two guys with a pressure cooker?? All those trillions? Heh, they still blew up their pressure cooker.

Want to protect us?? Fix the GD pipes and wires and bridges and roads. Stop poisoning our air and water. Get Monsanto out of our food...(Now THAT would be a war on terror)!

"Now the goobs say: Be afraid! Be very afraid!" JOG

Yes, and they are right. Fear the PFNAC, fear the politicians, frar the mega criminals runing the country...not only in DC, but state and local govrtnmrnt too...even on the township level...all corrupt...rotten to the core.

OK so 9/11 happened ... and we should have shrugged it off and said ... meeh .. OK no problem ...

Since we did not ...
We are going to have to give up lots of our rights and be inconvenienced.
EOM.

Repeat for all the rest of the scenarios.

You dont want to get run over by a soccer mom on the cell phone in her SUV - yea make cars with cell jammers in them. Or make cell towers drop calls if the cell is moving @ more than say 2 mph. Yea more govt intrusion ... what if the poor woman is driving down skid row trying to get herself a way out. Yea screw that ...

Cool.
Srinath.

oldNslow wrote on 06/16/13 at 11:39:43:


I'm pretty sure you also want to fix you car on the road with chicken wire, duct tape and keep on going huh ...

Not gonna happen, sorry to break it to you, but the world has gotten far more complicated since the 60's ...
The bike you got that you can fix with zip ties, inner tube and duct tape is as close as any one will ever get ...

Cool.
Srinath.

srinath wrote on 06/17/13 at 11:18:28:


Sri,
  I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. Do you mean that since the world has gotten more complicated we should just throw in the towel, admit that we are helpless and unable to take care of ourselves, and expect the government to do everying for us?

Besides, it's only the technology that has changed, people haven't evolved all that much over the past few thousand years, much less since the 60s. Otherwise we wouldn't keep doing the same dumb sh*t over and over.