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Re: The race is neck and neck...
Reply #15 - 10/25/12 at 09:29:49
 
My theory is that these results haven't changed for quite a while...I think everyone is sick and tired of it and just wants it to be over...any gains that have been made by any candidate probably don't show up cuz folks are tired of seeing anything that has to do with this election and consequently aren't participating as frequently...
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Reply #16 - 10/25/12 at 09:40:57
 
I'd agree with that.
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Reply #17 - 10/26/12 at 07:30:03
 
thumperclone wrote on 10/24/12 at 22:20:56:
here come the hanging chads




No no no ... nothing hanging ... the machine shreds everything not in Mitt's favor so clean ... nothing is left hanging ...

The whole crap spending on election could have been used to pay off the debt ...

The fools who say the debt is an issue and they pay a political campaign are liars ...

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Reply #18 - 10/26/12 at 08:06:40
 
Perspective:

the debt is 16 trillion dollars.
this election will cost 2.5 billion

at that rate, we could pay the equivalent of what is spent on a presidential election every year for the next 6,400 years before we paid the debt off.
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Reply #19 - 10/26/12 at 13:50:11
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/26/12 at 08:06:40:
Perspective:

the debt is 16 trillion dollars.
this election will cost 2.5 billion

at that rate, we could pay the equivalent of what is spent on a presidential election every year for the next 6,400 years before we paid the debt off.



Dude ... the debt was 14 trillion before the Tea party came to being ... Obama didn't create the 16 billion ... in fact most of the 16 trillion are our obligations no matter what ...
There is more perspective ... 11 trillion is owed to other departments and people inside US.

The foreign debt is under 5 billion.
Under 2 billion of it is owed to countries that have ever been hostile ...

And there us some stuff you have to do ... effective or not ... just cos it feels good.

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Reply #20 - 10/27/12 at 05:20:31
 
Dude ... the debt was 14 trillion before the Tea party came to being ... Obama didn't create the 16 billion ... in fact most of the 16 trillion are our obligations no matter what ...
There is more perspective ... 11 trillion is owed to other departments and people inside US.

The foreign debt is under 5 billion.
Under 2 billion of it is owed to countries that have ever been hostile ...


And there us some stuff you have to do ... effective or not ... just cos it feels good.

Hey moron, I was simply pointing out how large the debt is and how ‘small’ numbers that we seen to think are huge when compared to the debt. oh shut up....
What is it with you obama lovers that anything sends you off into your Bush did it, the Tea Party did it… etc… What’s the deal? They you start spouting a bunch of nonsense crap that has nothing to do with anything. Geez…. You’ve got a man crush on the guy and want to have his baby or something. Yea, I get it.  Fact is what we spend on elections is ‘relatively’ small in the big picture.

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Reply #21 - 10/27/12 at 09:20:54
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/27/12 at 05:20:31:
Dude ... the debt was 14 trillion before the Tea party came to being ... Obama didn't create the 16 billion ... in fact most of the 16 trillion are our obligations no matter what ...
There is more perspective ... 11 trillion is owed to other departments and people inside US.

The foreign debt is under 5 billion.
Under 2 billion of it is owed to countries that have ever been hostile ...


And there us some stuff you have to do ... effective or not ... just cos it feels good.

Hey moron, I was simply pointing out how large the debt is and how ‘small’ numbers that we seen to think are huge when compared to the debt. oh shut up....
What is it with you obama lovers that anything sends you off into your Bush did it, the Tea Party did it… etc… What’s the deal? They you start spouting a bunch of nonsense crap that has nothing to do with anything. Geez…. You’ve got a man crush on the guy and want to have his baby or something. Yea, I get it.  Fact is what we spend on elections is ‘relatively’ small in the big picture.

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Thanks webster ... calling me names ... easy, you dont have a point.
You cant turn a super tanker on a dime.
You cant fix a blown up motor in a minute ...

Use whatever analogy you like ... bush blew it up, took 8 years.
Obama had 2 years of trying to fix it and 2 years of fighting the deadlock by the repugs ... not enough time to fix anything.
Sorry call me all the names you wish ...

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Reply #22 - 10/27/12 at 10:07:43
 
Sure as hell cant turn a supertanker if youre so busy shoveling coal into the boilers that you dont even bother to turn the wheel.
In Other Words,,he didnt do things he could have done to stem the spending, OR, you will of course Show us where he slowed it down,
If he slowed it down, why was there more? He Did Not do what he said he would AND he had the same power to march our men into wars that Bush did & he had the same exact power to bring them home & he did not do it when he said he would. Iraq, we left at the time when Bush had already agreed to leave, he did Nothing to modify what Bush had done, And, now we have mercenaries working there,, Its worse, not better. & if it was a Bub in office I would say the same things, Its worse & its getting worse at an accelerating rate & I dont care Who wins, its gonna Continue to do exactly that.,ITs The Goal of the Game,, we arent players, we are just men on the chessboard, sadly, only a very few are aware it IS a game, Its a global game, & , since the majority of the globe is united in the fact that they use a private central bank, & All the worlds private central banks come back to just a few families, what we are seeing is the beginning of a slow, controlled meltdown of global economies. Once theyve created enough debt for everyone ( &, anyone who has a lot of resources but wants to maintain their sovereignty & NOt Participate in the central banking scheme will simply not be allowed to live,, Thats a common theme, Iraq, Libya. Dont believe me? Re3ad confessions of an economic hit man.)
It was well known what nafta & gatt would do to our economy, no one sees them as being good for America. Some will hemm & haww around about how OHH welll, we Had to do it,, but we didnt Have to, & It wasnt Good For America, Period, & Only really really politically naive people dont get that. It was OBVIOUS what it would do. SO, IF one does something that is Clearly gonna HURT ones own self interests, Then, why? Because we Are Being Taken DOwn,, period. The economic events arent accidents,. The economy HAS to run down, its part of the design of the fed system, its as much a part of the system as the dollar is. Its Inherent in the design of the fed that it not be sustainable, It can be operated to last longer or it can be run in a ditch quickly, but, the design is such that eventually, it crashes. REad the book, then youll understand.
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Reply #23 - 10/27/12 at 17:59:32
 
Obama had 2 years of trying to fix it

he spent his first two years pushing through a healthcare bill no one but lobbyist wanted. He had his chance and blew it. Republicans had nothing they could do to stop him, he screwed things up all on his own...
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Reply #24 - 10/27/12 at 18:55:36
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/27/12 at 17:59:32:
Obama had 2 years of trying to fix it

he spent his first two years pushing through a healthcare bill no one but lobbyist wanted. He had his chance and blew it. Republicans had nothing they could do to stop him, he screwed things up all on his own...



You think he screwed up healthcare via obamacare.

My 342 buck refund from my insurance company for last years premiums, apart from the 30 something that went to my employer for their 8% or so says otherwise ...

No one but repugs call it a complete failure ... the working class that has to pay for it especially calls it a less than stellar, but still a positive change.

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Reply #25 - 10/27/12 at 20:47:40
 
I hope the supporters of this health care thing will be gutsy enough to admit it in 5 years,Im gonna say that in 5 years, even the most ardent supporters of the bill ( the one no one had read, the one we had to pass in order to find out whats in it.. Would your lawyer let you sign a contract neither of you had read? IDK what legal liabilities that would lay at his feet, buts its darn sorry lawyering) will be wishing iy hadnt been done that way,, Freedom! Love it,, the goobs can now tell a private individual they WILL take $$$ out of their pocket & they WILL purchase a product,, Or they WILL be penalized, or taxed, or somethin,, I cant remember which one it is,
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Reply #26 - 10/28/12 at 06:10:57
 
My 342 buck refund from my insurance company for last years premiums, apart from the 30 something that went to my employer for their 8% or so says otherwise ...

That $342 is partially coming out of my pocket, sooner or later. No need to thank me, you're welcome.

Amen Jog. It could be a disaster. However, could is the important word here. I don't think it ever takes off to the degree it could. Hopey's going down and Romney will at least slow this implementation down a little.

at least until the next generation of moochers get their shot at it.
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Reply #27 - 10/28/12 at 08:27:12
 
Ill be surprised if America sees another 2 term president ( well,, BUsh shoulda never seen his, hafta thank the Supremes for that one I think, &, with machines involved, votes can be whatever someone wants them to be). OUr economy is being driven down, look around at other nations, its debt , debt, debt,, its like what it woulda been like if George had never been born, in that Christmas story, with Jimmy Stewart & he is a banker, & the Bad Guy is a banker,, Well,, IF the banker can hold your mortgage & then help you get in deeper & deeper debt, then he can foreclose & Own your place, & if he does it to all the Good PLaces,, & sets up the Owners so they cant pay their bills, then he can foreclose & Own That,, Its REALLY that simple & thats what is happening,
REad Creature/Jekyll Island, Confessions of an economic hitman, spend time on Lew Rockwell & MIses,, learn whats happening, then when ya see something going on, instead of looking at it & cocking your head, curling a lip & raising an eyebrow & goin HUHH???<< YOull get it.

But then youll do all that stuff & say HUHHH?,, because others dont.
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Reply #28 - 10/28/12 at 19:21:17
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/28/12 at 06:10:57:
My 342 buck refund from my insurance company for last years premiums, apart from the 30 something that went to my employer for their 8% or so says otherwise ...

That $342 is partially coming out of my pocket, sooner or later. No need to thank me, you're welcome.

Amen Jog. It could be a disaster. However, could is the important word here. I don't think it ever takes off to the degree it could. Hopey's going down and Romney will at least slow this implementation down a little.

at least until the next generation of moochers get their shot at it.



Nope sorry, It came out of my own pocket from earlier in the year ... its the 80% rule ... OK fine you are a healthcare company CEO/Shareholder ... OK I forget, ok its coming from your pocket. But hey dont worry when Romney reverses it you will get that $ back.

5 years, Romney care has been around for longer than that, no one seems to be complaining ... or they are all dead.

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Reply #29 - 10/29/12 at 07:35:21
 
You guys crack me up…

You think money can be taken from a business by uncle sam and they’ll just sit back and say okay…

They will do what you would do: find a way to get it back. I’ll pay for your $342 one way or another. You’re thinking is the same kind of simplistic thinking obama is taking advantage of. Abortion pills forced on catholic churches he says are free! It’s not ; it’s just the Sandra Flukes (yea, the very *friendly* person) of the world don’t have to pay for it, I do. You do.
That’s why health insurance cost has gone up since obamacare and will continue. That’s why he’s giving waivers.

Two new independent studies of health insurance premiums and health care spending indicate both are rising at an accelerated pace, despite President Obama’s 2008 promise to contain those costs and his pledge that his health care legislation would reduce premiums.
Spending on health care rose 4.6 percent in 2011 — up $4,500 per person, on average — according to the nonpartisan Health Care Cost Institute. That’s up from a 3.8 growth rate in 2010.
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