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Reply #15 - 10/02/12 at 18:57:25
 
An employee who worked in the Twin Towers stated "How could they let this happen? They knew this building was a target. Over the past few weeks we'd been evacuated a number of times, which is unusual. I think they had an inkling something was going on" - http://911proof.com/8.html

I doubt I would be able to find the article now but it said there were systematic evacuations of all floors while this specialized government "team" was inside. Supposedly they were searching for any bombs that had been planted.
Could small devices have been planted in their absence after having evacuated everyone?

Absolutely.

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A retired 27-year CIA analyst who prepared and presented Presidential Daily Briefs and served as a high-level analyst for several presidents stated that the Pentagon is a heavily-defended building, with defensive weapons on the roof. This matches a Pentagon employee’s statement that she was told "you are now standing in one of the most secure building in all of the United States".

And a former air traffic controller, who knows the flight corridor which the two planes which hit the Twin Towers flew "like the back of my hand", and who handled two actual hijackings, says that that planes can be tracked on radar even when their transponders are turned off, and that Donald Rumsfeld and the Pentagon tracked three of the four flights from the point of their hijacking to hitting their targets (also, listen to this interview).

Indeed, the Secretary of Transportation testified to the 9/11 Commission that "During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President … the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out….and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?"


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Reporter for USA Today stated that the FBI believed that bombs in the buildings brought the buildings down

NY Fire Department Chief of Safety stated there were "bombs" and "secondary devices", which caused the explosions in the buildings (video); or high-quality audio here

NYC firefighters who witnessed attacks stated that it looked like there were bombs in the buildings

NYC firefighter stated "On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building"

NYC firefighter stated there was a "bomb in the building ... start clearing out"

Dying heroes, the first responders who worked tirelessly to save lives on and after 9/11, say that controlled demolition brought down the Twin Towers

MSNBC reporter stated that police had found a suspicious device "and they fear it could be something that might lead to another explosion" and the police officials believe "that one of the explosions at the world trade center . . . may have been caused by a van that was parked in the building that may have had some kind of explosive device in it, so their fear is that there may have been explosive devices planted either in the building or in the adjacent area"

NYC firefighter stated "the south tower . . . exploded . . . At that point a debate began to rage because the perception was that the building looked like it had been taken out with charges . . . many people had felt that possibly explosives had taken out 2 World Trade" (pages 6 & 7)

Assistant Fire Commissioner stated “I thought . . . before . . . No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . [at] the lower level of the building [not up where the fire was]. You know like when they . . . blow up a building ... ?" -- and a lieutenant firefighter the Commissioner spoke with independently verified the flashes (see possible explanation below)(when, as here, there are no page numbers in the original firefighter transcript, you can locate the text using the "find" function in your web browser)

A firefighter said “[T]here was just an explosion. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings.  It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.”
Another firefighter stated "it almost sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight"  (page 4; original is .pdf; Google's webpage version is here)

Paramedic said "at first I thought it was -- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear pop pop pop pop pop -- thats exactly what because thought it was" (page 9)

Police officer noted "People were saying, 'There’s another one and another one.' I heard reports of secondary bomb explosions . . ." (page 61, which is page 3 of a hand-written memorandum)

Firefighter stated "there was an explosion in the south tower, which . . . just blew out in flames . . . One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93" (referring to 1993 bombing of world trade center; pages 3 & 4)

A firefighter stated "it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building . . . Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV."

Officer in the New Jersey Fire Police Department who was previously a sergeant in the U.S. Army, said about the south tower: “[I]t sounded like bombs going off. That's when the explosions happened. . . . I knew something was going to happen. . . . It started to get dark, then all of a sudden there was this massive explosion.”  Then, discussing her experiences during the collapse of the north tower, she said: “[There was] another explosion. That sent me and the two firefighters down the stairs. . . . I can't tell you how many times I got banged around. Each one of those explosions picked me up and threw me. . . . There was another explosion, and I got thrown with two firefighters out onto the street.”  (pages 65-66, 68)

Dan Rather said that collapse was "reminiscent of those pictures we've all seen [when]a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down" (CNN's Aaron Brown and a Fox News reporter also made similar comments)

British newspaper stated "some eyewitnesses reported hearing another explosion just before the structure crumbled. Police said that it looked almost like a 'planned implosion' "

Peter Jennings stated "anyone who has ever watched a building being demolished on purpose knows that if you're going to do this you have to get at the under-infrastructure of the building to bring it down"

A reporter for WNYC radio said "The reporters were trying to figure out what had happened. We were thinking bombs had brought the buildings down"(page 203 of Running Toward Danger: Stories Behind The Breaking News of 9/11)

A Wall Street Journal reporter said "I heard this metallic roar, looked up and saw what I thought was just a peculiar site of individual floors, one after the other exploding outward. I thought to myself, "My God, they’re going to bring the building down." And they, whoever they are, HAD SET CHARGES . . . . I saw the explosions" (page 87)

A facilities manager in the north tower "was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons"



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Re: Pretty compelling evidence for anyone
Reply #16 - 10/02/12 at 21:03:26
 
Serowbot wrote on 10/02/12 at 18:30:54:
I'm no Bush/Cheney fan,.. everybody knows that...

... but JOG,.. did you watch the clips Lost posted?...

No matter what the theories,.. you must explain how they did controlled demolition without the explosions making any noise...
Impossible... case closed.. seriously...
Explosions make noise...

Watch the video... controlled demo's make noise...
The towers didn't...
You cannot look that fact in face, and still believe that theory...
Just not possible...
JOG,.. you look for conclusive proof... there it is... it's time to let this one go...  there were a thousand cameras on those towers and none recorded the sound of sequential explosions...

Thanks, Lost...  I hadn't even thought about the noise...
That is conclusive proof... no further debunking necessary...

... and Bush n' Cheney were the devil, anyway... Huh...




The firefighters reported noises, like bombs.

& the fact there was no det cord? Thats the way Industry does it, yea, cuz its economical, there are other explosives out there,

& I dont actually have to explain HOW it was done, to point to the reasons they said iot was done not working.
Ill never let it go, & Ive seen plenty Of Debunkems,, & theyre bunk.
If someone wants to go to a Debunk video, watch it, then tell me where there are relevant sections that I really should watch, then I will.,.
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You watched all of the one I posted? Lost? Anyonme?
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Re: Pretty compelling evidence for anyone
Reply #17 - 10/02/12 at 22:18:34
 
JOG,.. if you'd go look at Lost's video's instead of poo-pooing them before even checking,.. they are only a couple of minutes each... not rambling on for hours...
Watch the first one, at least...
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Re: Pretty compelling evidence for anyone
Reply #18 - 10/02/12 at 22:45:37
 
Okay, I watched it. They show distortion & buckling on the perimeter. Doesnt explain the core colums. Doesnt explain the entire structure collapsing. Sure doesnt explain the cement pulverised. Doesnt answer the questions. If it does for you,, well,, what can I say? Its no where near enough for me., & Id truly love to see architects & engineers response to this.
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Re: Pretty compelling evidence for anyone
Reply #19 - 10/03/12 at 06:10:08
 
you see what you want to see.  again, gravity and mass explain a lot

you really have a problem with pulverized concrete???  really?  tons and tons and tons of concrete slamming together as it rips through tons and tons of steel, so the denial of what a "pancake" collapse would do are not backed up by any science, and they really never take the extreme size and weight of the building into consideration.  

I've only been able to stand to watch portions of your video at a time

bunk bunk da bunk bunk bunk
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Re: Pretty compelling evidence for anyone
Reply #20 - 10/03/12 at 07:56:32
 
That concrete was pulverized LONG before it hit the street, Concrete clouds were coming out befoore it fell 20 feet.

Ever bust reinforced concrete w/ a hammer?

& NO, I didnt see what I wanted to see. I would LOVE to be able to believe the official story,., It Just Dont add up
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Reply #21 - 10/03/12 at 13:21:55
 
concrete pulverization theory disputed here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhuxBbgyLFI


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Re: Pretty compelling evidence for anyone
Reply #22 - 10/03/12 at 13:52:27
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/02/12 at 22:45:37:
Okay, I watched it. They show distortion & buckling on the perimeter. Doesnt explain the core colums. Doesnt explain the entire structure collapsing. Sure doesnt explain the cement pulverised. Doesnt answer the questions. If it does for you,, well,, what can I say? Its no where near enough for me., & Id truly love to see architects & engineers response to this.



OK I am a civil engineer. I am not watching some rambling fools's video ... however I can tell you this ... buildings are designed to stand loading in 1 direction. Vertical. They are barely designed to stand the wind load in that location. Like drag a building from NY to chicago and it will crumble like a stack of pringles in the wind (if it ineed is windier than NY - cos it is called windy city cos of windbag politicians) ...

A building with missing columns on the perimeter will spectacularly fail ...
We design building to be under reinforced and exibit "plastic failure" not elastic failure.
There is very little concrete in the structural system of a building, its all steel. Concrete is far too heavy to build over 20 floors or so.
The philosophy behind a foundation is this ... the building with all its contents, needs to weigh less than the amount of dirt excavated, or to a 75% depth of the piles driven ... some formula in there ... anyway 100 storey buildings are lighter than 10-12 storeys of dirt, so we dig that far.
Ergo in layman's terms - building+all the people+desks+furniture etc = what we dig. Now to that nice little equation, Lets add a little 767 with 100 people on board and just place it nose first on top, not flyinf, just sit it there. You have by now far exceeded the rated capacity of that building. Its likely to still stand, but only if we have been lucky, we may have hit rock @ the foundation stage, we may have not found the 120 wall I beams when it was being built and someone used 125 wall .... etc etc etc, you're leaning on luck.
Then Add the fact that the plane was flying a 2-300 mph atleast and the fact we have a huge pool of burning jet fuel, office furniture, and assorted materials - assume 700f (which is low) ... I seriously see the buiding cracking and crumbling ... Heat obviously takes time to burn away the insulation on the beams (they spray them with a sorta foam - needed for both heat resistance in case of fire and for keeping heat bills manageable in winter) before the steel starts to bend and give.

BTW there was a huge highway fire in LA a few years ago - may have been 1998 or so, where a tanker caught fire and lit up a lot of things near it and caused a huge fire storm ... and the huge highway interchange signs were begining to give and warp ... and what every one heard from that was a screaming and metallic bang bang sound like it was hit with a sledge hammer.

However I am with you when you say Cheney made them do it, and he caused the building to fall down with just his evil doing nature ... So I am good. Oh yea Cheney also made the LA tanker fire ...

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Reply #23 - 10/03/12 at 15:19:55
 
& all that explains symmetrical collapse?
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Reply #24 - 10/03/12 at 15:21:16
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/03/12 at 15:19:55:
& all that explains symmetrical collapse?


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Reply #25 - 10/03/12 at 15:59:09
 
Damage from a plane ripping into one side, fire, not spread evenly, structure damaged unevenly & heated unevenly, falls symmetrically.

Not happnin.,.
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Reply #26 - 10/03/12 at 16:01:33
 
I said this before on the old forum but its worth repeating. My wife was in law enforcement at the time of 911. She helped evacuate Bin Laden's family on 9-12. I dont claim to know much of anything but every president we've had since Bush # 1 has said three words that scare the hell out of me. New World Order
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Reply #27 - 10/03/12 at 16:22:36
 
Just a small experiment for ya JOG.   Go outside and stand on an empty beer/soda can.  When you do this make sure when you get on it you do so evenly, so that it does not crush.   Now have someone compromise just one side of it, anywhere on the can.

Report back and let us know how evenly it crushes under you.

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Reply #28 - 10/03/12 at 16:24:49
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/03/12 at 15:59:09:
Damage from a plane ripping into one side, fire, not spread evenly, structure damaged unevenly & heated unevenly, falls symmetrically.

Not happnin.,.


Only if it is a quick failure.

The 6 hour window of failure would be closer to this -
The plane smashed through the outer wall and landed in the approximate middle of that building. The fire starts and sucks in oxygen in the gigantic hole that the plane created. The fire burns upwards. In a few floors it will have nicely spread into a good nicely centered ball of fire.

You are thinking the building will bend and fall over as opposed to disintegrate, Well its likely to come apart more than fall over cos there is water being dumped cos they have fire suppression ... atleast till the water runs out ... the combination of a few hours of fire and water should lead to a rotted out style failure. The top 30-40 floors burning getting wet and collapsing onto the lower floors will straight up crush them. At that point it was impact, not weight. Like after the planes had hit we got a huge band saw and hacked off the building a few floors under the impact floor, you can simply move those top floors into a field and have kept the other 70 floors as a useable building.

I however dont see why cheney didn't want the building to fall over ... You think he had some $$$ bet with Bush that it will collapse and not fall over ...

I dunno why if Cheney did make the planes made the building go down demolition style ... Yea the bet with Bush is it. That is all that can explain it ...

BTW you know of the comet that is going to come up from under the earth on christmas day this year and break the world to bits dont you ... Yea we cant see it now, cos its comming up from under the earth, yea under the earth ... see we are here and under us is the earth, then under that nothing ... yea through that nothing a huge comet ... we cant see it, under. Yup.

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Reply #29 - 10/03/12 at 16:31:01
 
Midnightrider wrote on 10/03/12 at 16:01:33:
New World Order


You know what the new world order is ... seriously ... this super high flying executive chick types sitting next to me ...

A 1/2 soup, a 1/2 ceasar salad and a cup of yogurt.
More importantly, she ate 2 leaves of lettuce, 2 beans out of the soup and 1/2 that yogurt, and threw the rest away.

So not only is the new world order really stupid, it will also end up in the trash can soon after.

Old world order = Burger, fries no salt and sweet tea, and all of it and 2 packets of ketchup were eaten ... yea also got a couple of gherkins and jalapeno's.
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