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Gov’t Guarantees 90% Occupancy Rate In Private Prisons
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(Kevin Johnson)  At a time when states are struggling to reduce bloated prison populations and tight budgets, a private prison management company is offering to buy prisons in exchange for various considerations, including a controversial guarantee that the governments maintain a 90% occupancy rate for at least 20 years.
Federal Bureau of Prisons director Harley Lappin speaks during a news conference at the Thomson Correctional Center in Thomson, Ill., in 2009.

The $250 million proposal, circulated by the Nashville-based Corrections Corporation of America to prison officials in 48 states, has been blasted by some state officials who suggest such a program could pressure criminal justice officials to seek harsher sentences to maintain the contractually required occupancy rates.

“You don’t want a prison system operating with the goal of maximizing profits,” says Texas state Sen. John Whitmire, a Houston Democrat and advocate for reducing prison populations through less costly diversion programs. “The only thing worse is that this seeks to take advantage of some states’ troubled financial position.”

Corrections Corporation spokesman Steve Owendefended the company’s “investment initiative,” describing it as “an additional option” for cash-strapped states to consider.

The proposal seeks to build upon a deal reached last fall in which the company purchased the 1,798-bed Lake Erie Correctional Institution from the state of Ohio for $72.7 million. Ohio officials lauded the September transaction, saying that private management of the facility would save a projected $3 million annually.

Linda Janes, chief of staff for the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction, said the purchase came at time when the state was facing a $8 billion shortfall. The $72.7 million prison purchase was aimed at helping to fill a $188 million deficit within the corrections agency.

Ohio’s deal requires the state to maintain a 90% occupancy rate, but Janes said that provision remains in effect for 18 months — not 20 years — before it can be renegotiated. As part of the deal, Ohio pays the company a monthly fee, totaling $3.8 million per year.

Roger Werholtz, former Kansas secretary of corrections, said states may be tempted by the “quick infusion of cash,” but he would recommend against such a deal.

“My concern would be that our state would be obligated to maintain these (occupancy) rates and subtle pressure would be applied to make sentencing laws more severe with a clear intent to drive up the population,” Werholtz s
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Reply #1 - 09/17/12 at 07:50:53
 
You do know that private prisons are the result of running the govt like a business dont you ... essentially a republican idea. Basically dont spend on programs that can "correct" small offenders, and when they turn into big offenders turn them into the machinery that guarantees they be kept properly imprisoned so they cost the least, and make them labor to make the maximum profit and dont do anything to help them get a job/living when they are outside. Sorry I dont see the big deal here, the smaller govt credo has that whole machinery working for it.

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Reply #2 - 09/17/12 at 08:36:19
 
I dont think prisons should be privatized, I dont think they should be For Profit & I sure as HELL dont think you grasp the magnitude of a government PROMISING an occupancy rate,
Running a government LIKE a business, as in being Fiscally REsponsible, isnt the same as turning it into one.
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Reply #3 - 09/17/12 at 09:02:02
 
The biggest obstacle to de-criminalising Marijuana is a huge lobby from the for-profit prison system...
They also support the severe drug and alcohol penalties...    
This is not because they are righteous, god fearing, concerned citizens... it's because it's 50% of their profits...

"Show me one thing that government can do better than private sector"...
Righty's often ask that...
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Reply #4 - 09/17/12 at 09:05:39
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/17/12 at 08:36:19:
Running a government LIKE a business, as in being Fiscally REsponsible, isnt the same as turning it into one.



I know that - however Romney and the republicans do not. BTW I'd have excluded Romney from this, cos he always was a moderate ... However having the GOP nomination instead of returning to his moderate roots, he's taken a turn to the opposite, Ryan as VP is one, as is this gem - Any time you can move someting from the federal govt to the states, its the way to go, and if you can turn it into the private sector, even better. Sorry I think he's rapidly going in this direction. Privatize prisons, medicare, road construction etc etc etc ... sorry, Romney gets a F-.

Remember it is scary and also remember if funding gets cut states - not all, some of em will turn to that option, cos well states cannot print money, so it automatically means they will need to get it as cheap as possible and make as much $ as possible, so it is a business at that point.

In a way putting some of these big descisions @ the feet of the federal govt gets that cost picture out of the equation. Yea yea its horribly inefficient and there will be a huge expansion of this and that, however it does need to be done, and if you dump it onto entities that cant fund it, they will either turn hardenened criminials loose, or privatize them and squeeze the blood out of them, and find reasons to add to that list they can bleed ... you have a parking ticket, its 20 years to life for you cos we guaranteed the prison company 100,000 a year for the next 100 years.
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Reply #5 - 09/17/12 at 09:12:04
 
Serowbot wrote on 09/17/12 at 09:02:02:
"Show me one thing that government can do better than private sector"...
Righty's often ask that...
Prisons...
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Highway, railway, shipping channel, irrigation and water management, space exploration, criminal justice (yes prisons) and a lot more can only be done by the federal govt. Its not that way just in the US, it is that way in every country where any of those exist. In many countries ground transportation like buses and trains, power generation and transmission, mining as well as many others are owned by the feds.

The feds just need to keep out of the creative and cutting edge fields except as a regulatory body, like we dont want them making movies or doing nuclear research, but we do need them to rate a movie so kids dont get to watch porn, and you dont explode a rod of U 238 mixed with Polonium in your driveway and turn your whole zip code into ash and your whole state green glow in the dark.

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... and Healthcare...
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Serowbot wrote on 09/17/12 at 09:16:31:
... and Healthcare...


Only if the framework of Insurance co -> doctor direct payments. Kill that and go to a pay the doctor @ the time of treatment and file it  as a reimbursable claim, and it can be tossed to the private sector. It will IMHO do the most to lower costs especially long term costs ... BTW if it is medicaid, they still take in the reimbursements and reimburse the patients. Doctor offices are rife with paper pushers. All administrative costs due to having to bill insurance etc etc a certain way and what not.
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Reply #8 - 09/17/12 at 10:03:37
 
Yup... get rid of the for-profit, do nothin', middleman...
Save 1/3 right off the top... plus lower office admin costs...
Probably raise that savings to 50%...
Then, guaranteed payment for all patients, lowers costs even more...
...and everyone contributes...

Also,.. providers will be busy enough with legitimate care, they won't need to order so much unnecessary procedures to pad their bills...
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And if you decide you were basically healthy and didn't have a gaggle of sick kids and weren't gonna bother getting insurance, or like I had @ one time, have a doctor you're a mechanic for (though he was an eye doctor not a complete doctor) you can opt to just pay for it, @30-40 bucks a doc visit, you could well opt to lose the 1500/mo medical insurance behemoth off your back in exchange for a $20 co pay ... done. I sound like a conservative dont I ... yes I am a true conservative, however the republican party isn't conservative, they are vultures who want big corporations and rich people to feed on the efforts of the poor and working ... If you gonna deregulate, completely deregulate ... dont deregulate in favor of a few big corporations and let them cannibalise the rest of us.

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If conservatives thought like you,.. I'd probably be voting for them...
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Serowbot wrote on 09/17/12 at 10:34:55:
If conservatives thought like you,.. I'd probably be voting for them...



I am tight fisted as they come ... you know how copper wire was invented ?

2 Indians found the same penny on the road ...

Anyway if someone is giving me $ and paying me 3.5% to use their $$$ and repay them with what I can churn out in my printer and give back whenever I feel like it ... guess what, I would take as much as they give me and build my self a 100,000 sq ft monster house on a mountain overlooking the ocean in a tropical paradise ...

They are republican, not conservative. Blue dog democrats are more conservative than republicans ... republicans are conservative only when it comes to how hard they thump the bible ... social only ... fiscally they want to say they are conservative while giving away huge sums of $ to rich people under the guise of calling them "Job creators".

Here is some of the major truths in the world of "Job creation"

No one needs a tax break to create a job ... if the job makes them $ they will "create it" My employer - big bank needs me to push these buttons cos if I dont they will lose 10-100 X what they pay me. They can get a different monkey to push the same button, yes, however they cant get someone off the street ... that would mean they lose between 10-100% of their likely profit ... ergo they hire the best monkey for the job - me.

None of the new age job creators are businessmen, CEO's and corp executives are employees ... we can replace them wiht a monkey and likely lose less than their salary ... cos you see a "talented monkey" can make more $$$ than a corrupt idiot clueless CEO. So you pay a monkey 30-40 banana's a day, you're out less than 50 bones a day.

Most - somewhere like 85% of businesses create how many jobs ? 1 exactly 1, themselves. You start  abusiness, you work in it, end of story, dont see WTF you need other than a demand and a service/idea/item/talent you can provide to others. End of story.

Business owners aren't waiting for republicans to give them a big check to do something.

Most big checks are going to employees - CEO's and the like. I'd like to see a cap - a multiple of the employees, and no accounting tricks like hire a 1000 temps through an agency, pay them minimum wage and not count em in your payroll and say you're just making 100 times your average worker salary of 50k. Bogus crap like that has to be weeded out. 1000 temps @ mnimum wage do need to be counted in, your average drops to 25k and you're making 200 x the average, you need to be taxed @ a stiffer rate. Something like that.

I think the whole nation needs to be unionised, or atleast regulated in the aspect that these disparities are brought into the open.

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Reply #12 - 09/17/12 at 13:45:27
 
Since we're on a random rant...

Oil prices are no longer supply/demand... speculators are manipulating the market, and taking a cut...  regulate/nationalize/federalize/socialize/ somethin'ize that market... oil is a national security issue...

... and,.. to me... the solution isn't "smaller government",... but, less wasteful government...  Cut the crap.  
I don't mind paying for results, and services,... and needed things like infrastructure...  
America should have the best transportation system in the world,.. same with healthcare,.. We're the biggest, richest, bestest....
All we have is most waste and corruption...
Reign in the lobbyist's somehow,..  and get corporate money out of elections...

Corporations are not people...
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Reply #13 - 09/18/12 at 00:02:48
 
You DO understand what it means to have a contract with the state To Keep Occupancy at 90%, right?
& Our Tax $$$$ still supports them,, all the while they Use the prisoners to compete with industry,.

I swear, you guys are NOT grasping this.
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Serowbot wrote on 09/17/12 at 13:45:27:
Since we're on a random rant...
... and,.. to me... the solution isn't "smaller government",... but, less wasteful government...  Cut the crap.  



This is what I have to say on that topic - no such thing ... we cant get more efficient govt, we cant get smarter govt and we certainly cant get less wasteful govt by legislation.

No politician can get any better govt. Its like stopping time. Hell no.

Smaller govt is less efficient govt. Say you fire everyone in govt. Send em all home. Guess what, the buildings are still there, we have to pay for them (cos we do have payments on most of em, you can turn off everything ... that is $$$ flying out your pocket with 0 return.

Romney cant lay claim to "smarter govt" just like Obama cant lay claim to say stopping time. Bigger govt is usually more efficient. Too big = wasteful too, but you need all the engineering etc etc staff to complete the entire road in a reasonable stretch of time. You cant build one over 20 years like they did to 485 in charlotte. Want a road like that, survey and stake it say 3-6 months. Build the road through the open stretches, 2-3 years. Build exits and entry points 2-3 years. Done. By the time 485 is done in charlotte there are parts of 485 so congested it is time to expand it, and it cant be cos that segment is full of strip malls and subdivisions.

Smaller govt is possible, smarter, more efficient, better is not, atleast not by making it smaller.

Most of the recent expansion in govt as the TEA sees it is simply due to aging of the population and people collecting SS and medicaid/care, the 2 wars 1/2 way round the world, expansion of food stamp eligibility all of which were Bushies Idea, and Obama is just following on the obligations made by the govt. The TEA/Right want to re-neg on the obligations by the govt to people and blame Obama for it.

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