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09/14/12 at 05:18:25
 
I’m positive many of you have a visceral hatred of Ann Coulter (and I can understand why…), but she’s spot on in her latest column. Look it up.

The Arab Spring was a joke. We are looking at an ugly, ugly situation in the future. Obama, like Clinton before him, mis-read everything or just simply wanted it to go away. Whoever is president for the next 4 years is going to be faced with some awful decisions about what to do. Can the US simply walk away and leave a vacuum waiting to be filled by someone? Or do we inject ourselves even stronger and try to establish some kind of order.

Obama will not handle this well as he’s already shown. Weakness invites attack all the time and don’t go on about killing Bin Laden. Anyone in the Oval Office would have done that. As the crowd chanted while attacking our embassies this week; “Obama, Obama, there are a billion Osamas”. Yea, he scared them alright….

Romney is an unknown factor. I really don’t know what he’ll do. My guess is he’ll act too timid; mindful of how Bush was pillared for at least starting to do the right thing. I honestly am not sure what to do. I’ve never been to the Mideast so have no personal interaction. The few Muslim businessmen I’ve met are not typical. They are trying to make enough money to get out of the middle east, not back in so I don’t have enough personal experiences to rely on. You clearly can’t judge the situation by what’s reported by the main stream media. Here’s a classic example mentioned in Coulter's column about the reporter ganged raped, Lara Logan of CBS. When the Egyptian mob was surrounding her before they attacked, they were shouting Jew, Jew. This was not reported as is often the case. We don’t get the real story of what’s happening. This mob so many were supporting was gang raping a woman because she was a Jew. So we send them billions of dollars in return…..

I don’t want any American to die fighting in the Mideast, but they seem unable to do anything but kill if let to their own accord. When was the last time a Muslim dominated country did anything that contributed to the greater good of mankind? Good luck coming up with that….Maybe we take the cowardly path and let Israel nuke them to pieces and then we help clean up the mess…...

Here’s another thought: If we were ever really energy independent, what would happen to the Mideast? No oil sales means no money. They have no culture to speak of that doesn’t involve killing people. Take oil away and you have what? Africa, but with a population who’ve actually had a slight taste of something better? What would happen if the middle east had no product like oil to sell?
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Reply #1 - 09/14/12 at 05:21:28
 
I'm sure glad that GWB didn't miss-read that Iraq took the twin towers down.
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Reply #2 - 09/14/12 at 06:09:00
 
Problem one,... we have devastated our military with two decade long wars...
Equipment and ordinance is depleted (shock and awe, foolishness),.. and our troops have been over-deployed (some doing 4 or 5 tours)...
PTSD is as high as 1/3 of all troops... and can only go up...
Another full scale war, is not a feasible option, even if it would help ...
... but, it doesn't... it only creates more resentment and terrorists...

Energy independence is a good idea,.. but, oil is a global market.   You can't get energy independence by drilling...
Wind, solar, natural gas, and hydro-electric... are being pursued as they should be...
...And don't even say nu-cu-lar... until you can find a real solution to spent fuel...

So,.. the best course is to get out of your SUV,... and elect leaders that aren't chicken hawks...
Fight the terror cells,.. but work with Arab leaders to create peace...
Neocon's Pax Americana dream didn't work...

Maybe, if we could convince oil companies, it's not in their best interest to deal with dangerous regimes...
Reduction in consumption, some more domestic drilling, and alternative fuel options would help...
America uses a third of fossil fuels,.. so we could make the most difference...
Problem is,.. whenever production goes up, prices go down, and we all jump into bigger gas guzzlers...
We're energy gluttons...
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Reply #3 - 09/14/12 at 06:22:53
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/14/12 at 05:18:25:
When was the last time a Muslim dominated country did anything that contributed to the greater good of mankind? Good luck coming up with that….


Dumbest thing I have ever heard ... and the answer is - Micro loans, just what I thought of in this instant ... there is a 1000 more I am certain ... of course being american Micro loans are what we use to get micro braids ... so there educating you in the process .... dumbass.

There is enough garbage in this 1 post to keep me busy for 1000's of years ...

However I do agree on this 1 point - Yes take away the oil and they are Africa ... without the copper, gold, diamonds and choclate. So guess what we need to do, stop buying oil from them. I'd propose we all live in apartments close to work and ride a bicycle to work and move to a warm area like florida and dont use AC. But her as soon as Ann Coulter does that I'll follow.

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Reply #4 - 09/14/12 at 10:55:10
 
Dumbest thing I have ever heard ... and the answer is - Micro loans, just what I thought of in this instant ... there is a 1000 more I am certain ... of course being american Micro loans are what we use to get micro braids ... so there educating you in the process .... dumbass.

There is enough garbage in this 1 post to keep me busy for 1000's of years ...

However I do agree on this 1 point - Yes take away the oil and they are Africa ... without the copper, gold, diamonds and choclate. So guess what we need to do, stop buying oil from them. I'd propose we all live in apartments close to work and ride a bicycle to work and move to a warm area like florida and dont use AC. But her as soon as Ann Coulter does that I'll follow.


This is too much even for me and I am use to getting abused. But when the likes of someone like srinath calls me a dumbass, that’s the last straw. (by the way, I travel around a lot; tell me what city you’re in and call me dumbass to my face, just once…)

This is especially true after he comes up with micro loans as evidence of a worldwide contribution from Muslim dominated countries….. Really? Micro-loans is the 1st that comes to your mind?

Why would I waste my time and energy conversing with this guy or Star for that matter?

So, I am officially done with posting on this tall table. I’ve been saying lately there is just no one on here I have anything in common with or care to hear their opinions on any topic. I'm taking my mug and moving to a different table. And I’m done listening to someone as foolish as srinath and starlifter etc… Done.

I will miss JOG and wish him well.

God bless, best of luck and of course, hoping all of you stay rubber side down.
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Reply #5 - 09/14/12 at 11:17:07
 
Well,, dang,, now what?

Ya know,, I get it, I do, its frustrating, feeling/believing/knowing your position is correct & being unable to get "The other side" to see it. Its the exact same feeling on both sides of fight. One side operates from situational ethics, feelings & political correctness, the other, ( at least speaking for myself) operates on principle, principle that is demonstrated in the C & the Bible. I stop messing here once in a while..too tiresome, same fights, same fighters, I DO think I am occasionally chipping away at the bricks,,


so, I keep going,



I will miss JOG and wish him well.

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Reply #6 - 09/14/12 at 12:21:10
 
I been ignoring the TT forum a while  it seems...


Not much to say, as a Libertarian... I am for pulling out and letting the world sort out its own troubles. USA is not the world police. I am ready for all our allies to send us back our money and pay US to be thier alliy for a while. Soup up the the AF and the Navy to keep everyone out and let the army rest a few years... I really just have no more stomach to watch us "helping" anyone for anything. AIDS, earthquakes, wars, drugs... take care of us (US) and let all the others have fun with thier ills. China is big .. let them do it. UAE is rich let them fund everything.  

Sry- micro loans isn't much .. Talliban killing the opium farmmers ... now that was something Muslims can be proud of.
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Reply #7 - 09/14/12 at 13:02:33
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/14/12 at 10:55:10:
Dumbest thing I have ever heard ... and the answer is - Micro loans, just what I thought of in this instant ... there is a 1000 more I am certain ... of course being american Micro loans are what we use to get micro braids ... so there educating you in the process .... dumbass.

There is enough garbage in this 1 post to keep me busy for 1000's of years ...

However I do agree on this 1 point - Yes take away the oil and they are Africa ... without the copper, gold, diamonds and choclate. So guess what we need to do, stop buying oil from them. I'd propose we all live in apartments close to work and ride a bicycle to work and move to a warm area like florida and dont use AC. But her as soon as Ann Coulter does that I'll follow.


This is too much even for me and I am use to getting abused. But when the likes of someone like srinath calls me a dumbass, that’s the last straw. (by the way, I travel around a lot; tell me what city you’re in and call me dumbass to my face, just once…)

This is especially true after he comes up with micro loans as evidence of a worldwide contribution from Muslim dominated countries….. Really? Micro-loans is the 1st that comes to your mind?

Why would I waste my time and energy conversing with this guy or Star for that matter?

So, I am officially done with posting on this tall table. I’ve been saying lately there is just no one on here I have anything in common with or care to hear their opinions on any topic. I'm taking my mug and moving to a different table. And I’m done listening to someone as foolish as srinath and starlifter etc… Done.

I will miss JOG and wish him well.

God bless, best of luck and of course, hoping all of you stay rubber side down.



Its the first thing that came to my mind, not the only or even the last thing.
Of course you'd consider Micro loans worthless obviously cos you dont need micro braids probably ... oddly the Nobel prize committee does not.
"Nobel laureate Muhammad Yunus, the founder of Grameen Bank, which is generally considered the first modern microcredit institution."
Yes I know what you'd say next - yes they gave one to Obama.
However Mohammed Yunus also is a regular invitee @ the world economic forum in Davos year over year and he also has been recognized in many other forums.

Just because you dont use it does not mean it is worthless.

Here is more - again worthless contributions.

Taj mahal - Built by a moslem monarchy in the 1700's.
Petronas towers, built in a country with a muslim democracy.
A lot of the techincal advances in oil exploration were all done in the middle east, not in Texas as the bushies would have you think.
Almost all the desalination technology in the world exists in practice in the middle east ... guess what we will be begging for when the sea level rises 50 ft and all the rivers get water incursion form the ocean ... yes water from saudi arabia.
Collapse of the USSR, triggered by their failed occupation of Afghanisthan where we combined wiht our then best friends Bin Laden and the taliban before we laid them off (here is another tidbit for you - you cant lay off your friends).

You know they use copious quantities of sulphur to make 1000's of industrial and domestic products. Sulphuric acid in your battery is one ... in most ports in the gulf if you pulled up your tanker, or your cargo vessel they will fill it with sulphur free ...

I live in charlotte NC and I will gladly shake your hand and call you a dumbass if you prefer. Heck I will even ride up on a savage and do it. However you do need to pardon my schedules, I am a laboring grunt and pretty much am chained to my desk 9-6 as well as have several obligations due to family life. I dont have a secretary who can hold my calls and give me 1 hour to get out to meet you.

I dont get to meet too many CEO's but I would relish the opportunity cos I did nod @ Ken Lewis a few years ago.

I will also debate you on any valid point, quoting Ann Coulter is barely a step above quoting Rush Limbaugh. Full of 1/2 truths and outright conjecture and lies. I will counter it with random quotes from B movies.

Nothing written or said by someone is really valid as it all states opinion. Quoting Rush and then going to fight over it cos someone calls it stupid and you a dumbass for quoting that is simply a waste of pixels.

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Reply #8 - 09/14/12 at 13:46:15
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/14/12 at 05:18:25:
When was the last time a Muslim dominated country did anything that contributed to the greater good of mankind? Good luck coming up with that….

20 Greatest Innovations by Muslims
1) Coffee
The story goes that an Arab named Khalid was tending his goats in the Kaffa region of southern Ethiopia, when he noticed his animals became livelier after eating a certain berry. He boiled the berries to make the first coffee. Certainly the first record of the drink is of beans exported from Ethiopia to Yemen where Sufis drank it to stay awake all night to pray on special occasions. By the late 15th century it had arrived in Mecca and Turkey from where it made its way to Venice in 1645. It was brought to England in 1650 by a Turk named Pasqua Rosee who opened the first coffee house in Lombard Street in the City of London.
The Arabic qahwa became the Turkish kahve then the Italian caffé and then English coffee.

2) Pin-Hole Camera        
The ancient Greeks thought our eyes emitted rays, like a laser, which enabled us to see. The first person to realise that light enters the eye, rather than leaving it, was the 10th-century Muslim mathematician, astronomer and physicist Ibn al-Haitham. He invented the first pin-hole camera after noticing the way light came through a hole in window shutters. The smaller the hole, the better the picture, he worked out, and set up the first Camera Obscura (from the Arab word qamara for a dark or private room). He is also credited with being the first man to shift physics from a philosophical activity to an experimental one.
       
3) Chess        
A form of chess was played in ancient India but the game was developed into the form we know it today in Persia. From there it spread westward to Europe - where it was introduced by the Moors in Spain in the 10th century - and eastward as far as Japan. The word rook comes from the Persian rukh, which means chariot.
       
4) Parachute
A thousand years before the Wright brothers a Muslim poet, astronomer, musician and engineer named Abbas ibn Firnas made several attempts to construct a flying machine. In 852 he jumped from the minaret of the Grand Mosque in Cordoba using a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts. He hoped to glide like a bird. He didn't. But the cloak slowed his fall, creating what is thought to be the first parachute, and leaving him with only minor injuries. In 875, aged 70, having perfected a machine of silk and eagles' feathers he tried again, jumping from a mountain. He flew to a significant height and stayed aloft for ten minutes but crashed on landing - concluding, correctly, that it was because he had not given his device a tail so it would stall on landing.
Baghdad international airport and a crater on the Moon are named after him.
       
5) Shampoo        
Washing and bathing are religious requirements for Muslims, which is perhaps why they perfected the recipe for soap which we still use today. The ancient Egyptians had soap of a kind, as did the Romans who used it more as a pomade. But it was the Arabs who combined vegetable oils with sodium hydroxide and aromatics such as thyme oil. One of the Crusaders' most striking characteristics, to Arab nostrils, was that they did not wash. Shampoo was introduced to England by a Muslim who opened Mahomed's Indian Vapour Baths on Brighton seafront in 1759 and was appointed Shampooing Surgeon to Kings George IV and William IV.
       
6) Refinement        
Distillation, the means of separating liquids through differences in their boiling points, was invented around the year 800 by Islam's foremost scientist, Jabir ibn Hayyan, who transformed alchemy into chemistry, inventing many of the basic processes and apparatus still in use today - liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. As well as discovering sulphuric and nitric acid, he invented the alembic still, giving the world intense rosewater and other perfumes and alcoholic spirits (although drinking them is haram, or forbidden, in Islam). Ibn Hayyan emphasised systematic experimentation and was the founder of modern chemistry.
       
7) Shaft        
The crank-shaft is a device which translates rotary into linear motion and is central to much of the machinery in the modern world, not least the internal combustion engine. One of the most important mechanical inventions in the history of humankind, it was created by an ingenious Muslim engineer called al-Jazari to raise water for irrigation. His 1206 Book of Knowledge of Ingenious Mechanical Devices shows he also invented or refined the use of valves and pistons, devised some of the first mechanical clocks driven by water and weights, and was the father of robotics. Among his 50 other inventions was the combination lock.
       
8) Metal Armor        
Quilting is a method of sewing or tying two layers of cloth with a layer of insulating material in between. It is not clear whether it was invented in the Muslim world or whether it was imported there from India or China. But it certainly came to the West via the Crusaders. They saw it used by Saracen warriors, who wore straw-filled quilted canvas shirts instead of armour. As well as a form of protection, it proved an effective guard against the chafing of the Crusaders' metal armour and was an effective form of insulation - so much so that it became a cottage industry back home in colder climates such as Britain and Holland.
       
9) Pointed Arch        
The pointed arch so characteristic of Europe's Gothic cathedrals was an invention borrowed from Islamic architecture. It was much stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and Normans, thus allowing the building of bigger, higher, more complex and grander buildings. Other borrowings from Muslim genius included ribbed vaulting, rose windows and dome-building techniques. Europe's castles were also adapted to copy the Islamic world's - with arrow slits, battlements, a barbican and parapets. Square towers and keeps gave way to more easily defended round ones. Henry V's castle architect was a Muslim.
       
10) Surgery        
Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as those devised in the 10th century by a Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi. His scalpels, bone saws, forceps, fine scissors for eye surgery and many of the 200 instruments he devised are recognisable to a modern surgeon. It was he who discovered that catgut used for internal stitches dissolves away naturally (a discovery he made when his monkey ate his lute strings) and that it can be also used to make medicine capsules. In the 13th century, another Muslim medic named Ibn Nafis described the circulation of the blood, 300 years before William Harvey discovered it. Muslims doctors also invented anaesthetics of opium and alcohol mixes and developed hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes in a technique still used today.
       
11) Windmill        
The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph and was used to grind corn and draw up water for irrigation. In the vast deserts of Arabia, when the seasonal streams ran dry, the only source of power was the wind which blew steadily from one direction for months. Mills had six or 12 sails covered in fabric or palm leaves. It was 500 years before the first windmill was seen in Europe.
       
12) Vaccination        
The technique of inoculation was not invented by Jenner and Pasteur but was devised in the Muslim world and brought to Europe from Turkey by the wife of the English ambassador to Istanbul in 1724. Children in Turkey were vaccinated with cowpox to fight the deadly smallpox at least 50 years before the West discovered it.
       
13) Fountain Pen        
The fountain pen was invented for the Sultan of Egypt in 953 after he demanded a pen which would not stain his hands or clothes. It held ink in a reservoir and, as with modern pens, fed ink to the nib by a combination of gravity and capillary action.
       
14) Numerical Numbering        
The system of numbering in use all round the world is probably Indian in origin but the style of the numerals is Arabic and first appears in print in the work of the Muslim mathematicians al-Khwarizmi and al-Kindi around 825. Algebra was named after al-Khwarizmi's book, Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah, much of whose contents are still in use. The work of Muslim maths scholars was imported into Europe 300 years later by the Italian mathematician Fibonacci. Algorithms and much of the theory of trigonometry came from the Muslim world. And Al-Kindi's discovery of frequency analysis rendered all the codes of the ancient world soluble and created the basis of modern cryptology.
       
15) Soup        
Ali ibn Nafi, known by his nickname of Ziryab (Blackbird) came from Iraq to Cordoba in the 9th century and brought with him the concept of the three-course meal - soup, followed by fish or meat, then fruit and nuts. He also introduced crystal glasses (which had been invented after experiments with rock crystal by Abbas ibn Firnas - see No 4).
       
16) Carpets        
Carpets were regarded as part of Paradise by medieval Muslims, thanks to their advanced weaving techniques, new tinctures from Islamic chemistry and highly developed sense of pattern and arabesque which were the basis of Islam's non-representational art. In contrast, Europe's floors were distinctly earthly, not to say earthy, until Arabian and Persian carpets were introduced. In England, as Erasmus recorded, floors were "covered in
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Reply #9 - 09/14/12 at 13:52:11
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/14/12 at 05:18:25:
I’m positive many of you have a visceral hatred of Ann Coulter (and I can understand why…), but she’s spot on in her latest column. Look it up.

The Arab Spring was a joke. We are looking at an ugly, ugly situation in the future. Obama, like Clinton before him, mis-read everything or just simply wanted it to go away. Whoever is president for the next 4 years is going to be faced with some awful decisions about what to do. Can the US simply walk away and leave a vacuum waiting to be filled by someone? Or do we inject ourselves even stronger and try to establish some kind of order.


The Arab spring was not a joke, the dictators that we supported were being ousted by the people they oppressed. Its not working in our favor but could not be more serious for the people involved, of course if we were not stretched thin by 10 year long wars against 2 countries we were lied into by Cheney we would have intervened in atleast 2 cases in support of the rebels and have had some credibility and have them hate us less. Sorry the balme for this falls on to Cheney. If we had an idle military and didn't intervene we could have pinned this on Obama. Sorry Ann you lose this one.

WebsterMark wrote on 09/14/12 at 05:18:25:
Obama will not handle this well as he’s already shown. Weakness invites attack all the time


You decide what is "handling it well" really ... I did not know that. Sorry I call BS, and sorry you lose.
And - Weakness invites an attack - really ? That would mean many many handicapped and blind people would be beaten everyday by mobs ... as you know that doesn't happen, not just in the USA, but in every other country in the world ... so obviously "weakness" doesn't invite attacks. Think about it, you're a smart girl Ann, You'll figure it out.

WebsterMark wrote on 09/14/12 at 05:18:25:
and don’t go on about killing Bin Laden. Anyone in the Oval Office would have done that.



Yes, correct and you win this one Ann.

WebsterMark wrote on 09/14/12 at 05:18:25:
As the crowd chanted while attacking our embassies this week; “Obama, Obama, there are a billion Osamas”. Yea, he scared them alright….



And scaring people in a completely soverign country 1/2 way around the world is the qualification of a good President ? Huh, I oddly dont recall reading that in the constitution or the pledge or any such document. Must have been a new addition. Sorry Ann you lose again.

WebsterMark wrote on 09/14/12 at 05:18:25:
Romney is an unknown factor. I really don’t know what he’ll do. My guess is he’ll act too timid; mindful of how Bush was pillared for at least starting to do the right thing.



Oh Bush doing the Right thing - was it the lies or the deceit you are referring to in specific ?
Or are you laying the ground for a failure by Romney where he needs to divert attention to get a second term ?
Either way - sorry, you lose.

WebsterMark wrote on 09/14/12 at 05:18:25:
I honestly am not sure what to do. I’ve never been to the Mideast so have no personal interaction. The few Muslim businessmen I’ve met are not typical. They are trying to make enough money to get out of the middle east, not back in so I don’t have enough personal experiences to rely on. You clearly can’t judge the situation by what’s reported by the main stream media.



Correct Ann, you have no idea, I'll grant you this one.

WebsterMark wrote on 09/14/12 at 05:18:25:
Here’s a classic example mentioned in Coulter's column



Wait a sec, are you quoting yourself now Ann ? What ? you have run out of irrelevant and out of context quotes ... OK then I guess I'll let that pass.

WebsterMark wrote on 09/14/12 at 05:18:25:
about the reporter ganged raped, Lara Logan of CBS. When the Egyptian mob was surrounding her before they attacked, they were shouting Jew, Jew. This was not reported as is often the case. We don’t get the real story of what’s happening. This mob so many were supporting was gang raping a woman because she was a Jew. So we send them billions of dollars in return…..



Oh I thought Republicans are pro rape ? No ... just dont get an abortion and you're fine ? OK lets then watch Lara Logan if she ever makes it to an abortion clinic.

WebsterMark wrote on 09/14/12 at 05:18:25:
I don’t want any American to die fighting in the Mideast, but they seem unable to do anything but kill if let to their own accord. When was the last time a Muslim dominated country did anything that contributed to the greater good of mankind? Good luck coming up with that….



Disproved already. Sorry Ann you lose.

WebsterMark wrote on 09/14/12 at 05:18:25:
Maybe we take the cowardly path and let Israel nuke them to pieces and then we help clean up the mess…...



What will Israel be nuking ? Its like Delaware nuking south New Jersey.

WebsterMark wrote on 09/14/12 at 05:18:25:
Here’s another thought: If we were ever really energy independent, what would happen to the Mideast? No oil sales means no money. They have no culture to speak of that doesn’t involve killing people. Take oil away and you have what? Africa, but with a population who’ve actually had a slight taste of something better? What would happen if the middle east had no product like oil to sell?


Yes - Africa without gold, copper, diamonds or choclate, and you can start by walking to work everyday and living in an apartment wiht no heat or AC to start us on energy independence.

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17) Pay Cheques        
The modern cheque comes from the Arabic saqq, a written vow to pay for goods when they were delivered, to avoid money having to be transported across dangerous terrain. In the 9th century, a Muslim businessman could cash a cheque in China drawn on his bank in Baghdad.
       
18) Earth is in sphere shape?        
By the 9th century, many Muslim scholars took it for granted that the Earth was a sphere. The proof, said astronomer Ibn Hazm, "is that the Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on Earth". It was 500 years before that realization dawned on Galileo. The calculations of Muslim astronomers were so accurate that in the 9th century they reckoned the Earth's circumference to be 40, 253.4km - less than 200km out. The scholar al-Idrisi took a globe depicting the world to the court of King Roger of Sicily in 1139.
       
19) Rocket and Torpedo        
Though the Chinese invented saltpetre gunpowder, and used it in their fireworks, it was the Arabs who worked out that it could be purified using potassium nitrate for military use. Muslim incendiary devices terrified the Crusaders. By the 15th century they had invented both a rocket, which they called a "self-moving and combusting egg", and a torpedo - a self-propelled pear-shaped bomb with a spear at the front which impaled itself in enemy ships and then blew up.
       
20) Gardens        
Medieval Europe had kitchen and herb gardens, but it was the Arabs who developed the idea of the garden as a place of beauty and meditation. The first royal pleasure gardens in Europe were opened in 11th-century Muslim Spain. Flowers which originated in Muslim gardens include the carnation and the tulip.
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A lot of the techincal advances in oil exploration were all done in the middle east, not in Texas as the bushies would have you think.


Id be curious to know a few of those advancements,
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justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/14/12 at 19:35:59:
A lot of the techincal advances in oil exploration were all done in the middle east, not in Texas as the bushies would have you think.


Id be curious to know a few of those advancements,

me thinks they were done by americans in the middle east
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Thatd be my guess.. My dad was running rigs in Saudi Arabia in the 60's.
Hughes did the 3 cone rock bit. Pumps & all kinds of equipment used to be made in Odessa. Dad told me that Odessa used to be called "The warehouse to the world". He was also on the team that came up with blow out control techniques.,
Ill need to see examples I can look up, otherwise, drilling technology came from America. We put Russia in business, taught them how to drill & sold them machinery & taught them how to make bits & tool joints for pipe, lift technology.

Look up Centrilift,, I knew a guy in Midland who went to Siberia to teach them & do an installation,
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