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Clutch slip cure.
09/09/12 at 06:54:53

I have tried numerous ways to stop clutch slip on my Savage. Stronger springs, 'performance' plates, washers under springs etc. I finally think I have found something which works long term. I placed an additional plain (not friction) clutch plate in the basket. This results in a slightly thicker clutch pack which pre-tensions the springs more when everything is assembled. I put the extra plate between the inner most friction plate and the pressure disc. Shouldn't really matter where it goes though as long as it has a friction disc on one side. Results in a slightly heavy clutch action but really makes a difference during hard acceleration. I found a bunch of plain clutch plates on ebay. You only need one and they never wear out.

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drums1 Serious Thumper Offline '87 Savage Bashed--Down for the count Posts: 664 Racine, Wisconsin Gender:	Re: Clutch slip cure. Reply #1 - 09/09/12 at 11:47:21 Or wear out.
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Cavi Mike Serious Thumper Offline Thumper n00b Posts: 1005 Rochester, NY Gender:	Re: Clutch slip cure. Reply #2 - 09/09/12 at 11:50:09 What oil are you using?
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Gyrobob Serious Thumper Offline Posers ain't motorcyclists Posts: 2571 Newnan, GA Gender:	Re: Clutch slip cure. Reply #3 - 09/09/12 at 12:16:57 Cavi Mike wrote on 09/09/12 at 11:50:09: What oil are you using? A critically important question, eh?
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Paraquat Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2206	Re: Clutch slip cure. Reply #4 - 09/09/12 at 13:02:29 It's a wet clutch. The wrong oil could lead to slippage. If that junk gets embedded in the friction plates it's gonna take some sanding to get it off, if you can at all. --Steve
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Clutch slip cure. Reply #5 - 09/09/12 at 22:42:28 Gyrobob wrote on 09/09/12 at 12:16:57: Cavi Mike wrote on 09/09/12 at 11:50:09: What oil are you using? A critically important question, eh? Absolutely critical question.,
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ToesNose Serious Thumper Offline Pardon me, do you have Hot Sauce? Posts: 1993 Mooresville, NC Gender:	Re: Clutch slip cure. Reply #6 - 09/10/12 at 04:07:24 Who brought up oil?! (looks at Mike and grins)
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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10606 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: Clutch slip cure. Reply #7 - 09/10/12 at 04:09:04 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/09/12 at 22:42:28: Gyrobob wrote on 09/09/12 at 12:16:57: Cavi Mike wrote on 09/09/12 at 11:50:09: What oil are you using? A critically important question, eh? Absolutely critical question., YEP
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buffyporson YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 13	Re: Clutch slip cure. Reply #8 - 09/11/12 at 04:59:23 I started using cheap Walmart brand 20/50 - clutch slipped. Changed to Shell Diesel Rottela - clutch still slipped. Changed back to Walmart brand. I have also tried using the different length clutch push rods which also made no difference provided the clutch cable was adjusted correctly.
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Re: Clutch slip cure.
Reply #9 - 09/11/12 at 05:05:25

buffyporson wrote on 09/11/12 at 04:59:23:

I started using cheap Walmart brand 20/50 - clutch slipped. Changed to Shell Diesel Rottela - clutch still slipped. Changed back to Walmart brand. I have also tried using the different length clutch push rods which also made no difference provided the clutch cable was adjusted correctly.

The oil is def an issue here. Depending on how long you ran that CAR oil in your bike will decide on what needs to be done. If it wasn't very long several flushes with a non-friction modifier oil will wash all that crap outta your clutch. Now if you have been running it for awhile, you will have to take apart the clutch and do some sanding to get the crap off of the plates. Another thing about the oil you have been using, it doesn't have near enough of the high pressure additives to keep your Savage's motor alive.

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Cavi Mike Serious Thumper Offline Thumper n00b Posts: 1005 Rochester, NY Gender:	Re: Clutch slip cure. Reply #10 - 09/11/12 at 05:18:26 buffyporson wrote on 09/11/12 at 04:59:23: I started using cheap Walmart brand 20/50 - clutch slipped. Changed to Shell Diesel Rottela - clutch still slipped. *Changed back to Walmart brand.* What ever for? Why would anyone put that crap in anything they own?
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Re: Clutch slip cure.
Reply #11 - 09/11/12 at 05:34:18

The Walmart oil is your problem. As the others have mentioned, it has bad stuff in it that makes your clutch slip, and not enough of the good stuff in it to keep the Savage motor from wearing rapidly.

Be careful with that seefoam stuff, if for no other reason than bill recommending it.

You will either have to take the clutch plates out and lightly sand them, or use correct oil (Rotella T6) for a few oil changes to get the clutch back to normal.

None of your "cures" (springs, plates, washers) will work until you get the friction modifier crap from the cheapo Walmart oil off the plates. You are wasting ALL of your time and money trying to solve the problem mechanically.

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Reply #12 - 09/11/12 at 05:55:37

Charon hasn't lost his mind and started talking to himself --- there was a Bill "seafoam" trolling episode here that was deleted.

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Sorry I didn't get here sooner to nip it in the bud. Oldfeller.

Before you waste your money on Seafoam, find out what is in it by entering some terms like "seafoam msds" into your favorite search engine. You will get results telling you it contains about half naptha (lighter fluid), about a third pale oil (20w 2-stroke oil), and about a sixth isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol. Which of those ingredients do you think will help clean a clutch? And remember as soon as the oil warms up the naptha and alcohol will evaporate out.

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Charon Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 1811 Harvard, NE Gender:	Re: Clutch slip cure. Reply #13 - 09/11/12 at 06:08:12 To be blunt, it did absolutely nothing except raise costs. That, to me, makes it worse than useless, because it costs money (about half a dollar per ounce) to do nothing at all. And by the way, when I used it and reported the non-results, Bill told me I must have used it wrong.
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Reply #14 - 09/11/12 at 06:59:28

Bill, all you are doing is trying to start an argument.

Let's look at another thought. Seafoam says it is to be used at 1.5 ounces of Seafoam per quart of oil in a crankcase. It contains about half naptha, which is pretty much the same as gasoline. Another thread lately, regarding a question about changing oil, brought forth the issue of fuel contamination in lubricating oil. The S40 contains about 2.5 quarts, 80 ounces, of oil. Adding about four ounces of Seafoam is the same as adding two ounces of gasoline to the oil, and results in effectively contaminating the crankcase oil with 2.5% gasoline. Anyone care to speculate about the results on oil viscosity?

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