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Hope and Change
09/08/12 at 03:57:21
 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444273704577635681206305056.htm...



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443819404577637653650025944.htm...

The WSJ has two great articles about the jobs situation. Take the time to read them. We cannot continue the way we are going. The past 4 years have shown the Democratic view is simply incorrect. Those numbers about SS disability and food stamps are unbelivable.

There is no reason to continue this administration. I have a daughter graduating with an engineering degree in 4 years. I'd rather have a growing, expanding economy and nation to greet her as opposed to what will be left after 4 more years of this nonsense.

How anyone can support the status quo is beyond me.
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Reply #1 - 09/08/12 at 04:44:31
 
Not taxing the rich and cutting the old peoples SS benefits is gonna make everything all better.
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Reply #2 - 09/08/12 at 08:17:03
 
 What part of this nation being a hair width from all out depression don't they understand? Then they call up welfare and foodstamp rolls? Sure they will increase, its common sense, in 08-09 jobs were drying up at a rate of 700-900K a month! How are people going to eat?

 Its like two kids playing with legos, one kid tears down a huge building, and hides some of the pieces, then stands back and crys "He is not building it back fast enough"! ....

 Gains are gains, the last thing to return in any economy are jobs, we are not going to stimulate growth by giving tax breaks to the rich again, tax rates for the rich are at the lowest point in forty years, WHERE are the jobs? Our economy depends on consumers, the majority of consumers are common folk who have had their wages cut, their Unions destroyed, their jobs sent overseas, and savings decimated.. This was all done by people such as Romney, nothing personal, its about profit..

  I would much rather see steady growth, than boom and bust.. The next bust will make 08-09 look like a walk in the park folks.. Romneys plans sound too much like Bush's plans, no thank you...
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Reply #3 - 09/08/12 at 10:20:35
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/08/12 at 03:57:21:
How anyone can support the status quo is beyond me.

Lack of options...

Hope and change...
...or...
No hope, and no change... back to the trickle down, war mongering, and de-regulation, that caused this mess...
That's an insanely stupid option... Huh...
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Reply #4 - 09/08/12 at 13:44:41
 
Webster, please explain to us exactly what Rmoney's plan is to instantly create hundreds of thousands of jobs as soon as he is elected...and while you're at it, please tell us how he intends to cut the deficit by cutting taxes and starting another war, this time with Iran.

Inquiring minds want to know.
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Reply #5 - 09/08/12 at 14:42:22
 
Starlifter: Romney's jobs plan is this. As soon as he's elected, he will give his rich friends to go ahead and start hiring, they will instantly hire 2-3 house maids, atleast 2-3 gardeners and a cook or 2. See that's 1000's right there. That would happen right on day 1 after Romney is elected, that is right after he adjusts the minimum wage to 13c and only releases that info to his super rich friends.

That also Helps the "Latina" population who are really "concerned with the economy and jobs".

The bloody Romney plan is 10X as bad for the non super rich ...

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Reply #6 - 09/09/12 at 01:17:55
 
Theres no measurable difference in the result of either of them having been the pres.. we are headed for the dust bin, neither one is gonna turn us away from the cliff.
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Reply #7 - 09/09/12 at 06:43:29
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/09/12 at 01:17:55:
Theres no measurable difference in the result of either of them having been the pres.. we are headed for the dust bin, neither one is gonna turn us away from the cliff.



I really would modify that to this -

We are headed for the dustbin, and with Obama it is intentional, with Romney it is the unintended consequence of tax cuts for the rich and cuts to programs that benefit the rest of us, and the cliff is a mirage and Obama has a better sense of that.

Massachusetts moderate - pro abortion before he had to become pro life, pro gun control before he had to become anti gun control, pro govt healthcare before he had to become anti health care ... and overall a liar.
Obama seems to have more honesty in him. That even the republicans agree, they claim he's incompetent and Romney is not. I'd however take an honest but incompetent man over a dishonest but competent man.
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Reply #8 - 09/09/12 at 06:47:32
 
Not taxing the rich and cutting the old peoples SS benefits is gonna make everything all better.

Midnight: no one is talking about not taxing the rich.

If you checking account runs out of money, cutting benefits is a foregone conclusion, don’t you think?

SS will ‘end as we know it’ on it’s own; would you rather we try to do something or should we just stay with your idea which is as long as Midnight gets his, to hell with everyone else?...
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Reply #9 - 09/09/12 at 06:50:21
 
I would much rather see steady growth, than boom and bust

That’s all well and good Retread except THERE IS NO STEADY GROWTH! That’s the point, it’s going backwards. He has no new idea for his second 4 years so nothing different will happen.
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Reply #10 - 09/09/12 at 07:06:34
 
Webster, please explain to us exactly what Rmoney's plan is to instantly create hundreds of thousands of jobs as soon as he is elected...and while you're at it, please tell us how he intends to cut the deficit by cutting taxes and starting another war, this time with Iran.

Inquiring minds want to know.


The short version is to give the people back their own money and let the invisible hand take its course. How did we recover from Carter’s disaster? By a million little individual decisions made in the marketplace.  It is a phenomenon that cannot be micro managed.

How did the US grow to the superpower economically it is (or was)?  We had little micromanagement during our ascent yet we somehow managed to do what hadn’t been done before to such a large degree which was to give everyone an opportunity to raise their standard of living. That was unheard of on a large scale before the US came along.

What is known is that trying to micro manage such a complex organism as the economy of the US usually does not produce the intended result simply because there are too many ‘moving parts’.

Generally speaking, cutting taxes increases overall revenue; raising taxes decreases overall revenue. See California.  This is a lesson the left refuses to learn a.  

I'm not sure about a war in Iran. I think if Israel had confirmation they had or were within a hair of developing a nuke, israel would destroy the complex. If the other countries knew the US and Britain were on board; I don't think anyone else would join in on an attack against Israel. Iran would be no match against Israel in a convention war so the situation would reset itself. Pakistan is a bit of a wild card however which is another reason why no other country should be allowed to develop nukes.  
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Reply #11 - 09/09/12 at 07:07:36
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/09/12 at 06:50:21:
I would much rather see steady growth, than boom and bust

That’s all well and good Retread except THERE IS NO STEADY GROWTH! That’s the point, it’s going backwards. He has no new idea for his second 4 years so nothing different will happen.


  You are still living in that bubble, I live on the market, I also watch the job reports religiously. In 08-09 the market took the largest dump since the great depression, it has gained back most of its loss! In 08-09 this nation was shedding jobs at a rate of 500-750K a month! We have seen steady growth in the job market for the last two years. Granted some have dropped off the job grid, but many of those people have become self employed, are working under the radar for relatives, ect..

   He does have a plan, he wants to rebuild this nations infrastructure, he want us to change gears from fossil fuels to other energy sources, and he needs to dump the tea baggers in congress to do it... I would say thats better than R@Rs plan, tax breaks for the rich folk, drill all of America, and more military... Haven't we done that, and where did it lead? Oh yea, 08-09...... Angry
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Reply #12 - 09/09/12 at 09:12:30
 
"Midnight: no one is talking about not taxing the rich."  Exxon Mobil has made more money than any corp. in the history of the world! Do they pay any taxes?

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Reply #13 - 09/09/12 at 09:22:04
 
"SS will ‘end as we know it’ on it’s own; would you rather we try to do something or should we just stay with your idea which is as long as Midnight gets his, to hell with everyone else" Not if we invest our money in our own people (who actually pay for the system) and quit trying to support and police the rest of the world, who by the way hate us.
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Reply #14 - 09/09/12 at 09:35:36
 
"If you checking account runs out of money, cutting benefits is a foregone conclusion, don’t you think?"  Yes. If it were my checking account I would cut foreign aid and military spending first. Thats the biggest piece of the pie, would affect my lifestyle the least. Only an idiot would spend more on his neighbors house then he does his own!
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