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07/02/12 at 09:42:30
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/29/border-patrol-union-claims-homeland-secu...



Border Patrol agents in Arizona are blasting their bosses for telling them, along with all other Department of Homeland Security employees, to run and hide if they encounter an "active shooter."

It's one thing to tell civilian employees to cower under a desk if a gunman starts spraying fire in a confined area, say members of Tucson Local 2544/National Border Patrol Council, but to give armed law enforcement professionals the same advice is downright insulting. The instructions from DHS come in the form of pamphlets and a mandatory computer tutorial.

“We are now taught in an ‘Active Shooter’ course that if we encounter a shooter in a public place we are to ‘run away’ and ‘hide’" union leader Brandon Judd wrote on the website of 3,300-member union local. “If we are cornered by such a shooter we are to (only as a last resort) become ‘aggressive’ and ‘throw things’ at him or her. We are then advised to ‘call law enforcement’ and wait for their arrival (presumably, while more innocent victims are slaughtered)."

The FEMA-administered computer course, entitled “IS-907- Active Shooter: What You Can Do,” is a 45-minute tutorial that provides guidance to all employees on how to recognize indicators of possible workplace violence and what to do should their office be invaded by gunmen and focuses around three main options; either evacuate, hide out, or in dire circumstances, take action.

Main Points of the "Active Shooter" training course

   Evacuate: If there is an accessible escape path, attempt to evacuate the premises.
   Hide out: If evacuation is not possible, find a place to hide where the active shooter is less likely to find
   you.
   Take action: As a last resort, and only when your life is in imminent danger, attempt to disrupt and/or
   incapacitate the active shooter.

Once the course is completed, employees are urged to download additional materials including a summary booklet and pocket-sized card outlining protocol, which was also handed out to employees two months ago.

One DHS employee told FoxNews.com the instruction cards were handed out to employees six weeks ago. At the time, he assumed they were only for civilian employees, not armed law enforcement officers within the department, which oversees the U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

"Requiring BP agents to follow the same steps is egregious,” he said.

DHS officials maintain that the Active Shooter course was designed for all employees—civilian and law-enforcement officers-- and no one should rush into a situation where they, or others around them, could get hurt.

“The Department of Homeland Security takes very seriously its responsibility to protect all of its employees from threats that may surface in the workplace,” U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Michael Friel said in a written statement to FoxNews.com

“CBP workforce training is designed to prepare all employees, including leaders, managers, supervisors, law enforcement personnel and non-law enforcement personnel, to understand their own roles and the roles of their fellow employees in responding to threats. In an active shooter scenario, employees are taught to take actions that keep them alive.”

But members of Local 2544 say they are obligated to protect the public in such a situation, whether they are on duty or not. Given the instructions, some wonder if they would be disciplined for taking down a gunman in a situation like the Fort Hood shooting or the January, 2011 case in Casa Adobes, in which a deranged gunmen shot 19 people, including Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. Six people were killed.

“It is always comforting to know that for those of us who carry a weapon when we are off-duty, if we should encounter such a situation, stop a shooter and save countless lives, we can look forward to being disciplined or fired by the Border Patrol because we should have run away to hide and then maybe thrown objects at the deranged killer instead of taking action and stopping him with a firearm,” the union local's website says.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/29/border-patrol-union-claims-homeland-secu...


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I guess the SwAT teams should do the same?
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Reply #2 - 07/02/12 at 11:23:45
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/02/12 at 09:52:08:
I guess the SwAT teams should do the same?


One can only hope.


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Reply #3 - 07/03/12 at 15:18:05
 
They've got to be kidding... They'd better be kidding...
If they aren't kidding... Huh

What good is armed law enforcement if they are not allowed to do their jobs?

Guess it's one more step to making this a martial law state? "cause if the cops can't do it the G.I.s will?

That policy makes no sense.
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WD said ( & rightly so)


That policy makes no sense.


& think back,, how many Other policy decisions have you seen that just couldnt be made by anyone who was even TRying to accomplish what the people need done?

It Makes sense, okay.,. IF you have an agenda counter to what America wants & needs,,
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Reply #5 - 07/05/12 at 11:58:59
 
+1 with my shotgun locked and loaded! Grin
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Reply #6 - 07/15/12 at 15:29:08
 
In the next 30 years the plan is for Mexico, The US and Canada to become one country. Thats why nothing is being done about it and it never will. The black fall guy from Kenya will probably legalise most of the illegal aliens in this country before his term ends, thats what he has been told to do. Load all your guns you want to. They'll shoot you but not the illegals. LEO's are doing what higher ups are telling them to do and there's nothing you can do about it.
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Reply #7 - 07/15/12 at 18:44:56
 
I have a .22, lots of empty plastic bottles... and a backhoe.  Wink

To paraphrase the "fall guy"... Oh yes I can...
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Reply #8 - 07/15/12 at 20:35:22
 
THEY have a microwave thats gonna melt you and your gun. This is 2012, not the old west. All the wars from now on will not be won with guns. This is the age of robots, drones and microwaves. If you plan on winning the next war kid you better plan on using your head. I have sevaral 22's with 25 round clips. All they'll be good for is shooting squirrels and feeding my family.
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Reply #9 - 07/15/12 at 23:00:22
 
friend of mine brother lives south of sierra vista az..
hes never w/o a loaded weapon
i dont want to live like that
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Reply #10 - 07/16/12 at 16:52:52
 
We're pretty much always armed here, but not against 2 legged vermin (yet). Most of the dregs stay in the city where they belong. We carry because of the water mocassins around here.

If they get us they get us, not much can be done to defend against modern technology.

But, it never hurts to be ready.
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Reply #11 - 07/18/12 at 09:46:19
 
A wise man once told me "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance or stupidity."

It seems pretty obvious, at least to somebody without a knee jerk evil government reflex, that this is most likely some kind of bureaucratic screw up.

The information was obviously designed to help office staff deal with one of their co-workers going "postal" until LEOs arrive. The DHS is huge. I'd bet the ratio of unarmed staff to armed staff is easily 10:1 or higher. Our county handed out similar information to all county employees which included the Sheriffs Dept. Obviously no one expects the deputies to stand down and wait (for themselves?) to arrive if some nut starts shooting up the court house.

Get a grip people. I swear if they handed out brochures on prenatal screening to both men and women you would claim Obama had some secret project to impregnate men.
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