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Bigger front pulley... (fail)...
04/19/12 at 14:35:32
 
Well,... yes, I failed...

Bought a Kawasaki LTD454 front pulley (25tooth)... (luckily only $5)...


Ground the front face flat.


Ground the back face enough to allow the toothed washer to bite on the shaft teeth...

see the teeth?...

with washer...


Had to grind the rear cover bolt shaft for clearance.


Here's the pulley mounted...


belt tension adjusted to here...


... and these parts of the cover plate needed a slight grind.


Anyway... something was still catching somewhere, although I couldn't find it... Pulley spins freely with no rubbing until I put on the belt, then there is a catch every 180 degrees.. more on one 180' than the other...
I may have had a bad pulley, (it had some amount of wobble, even though it shouldn't have been possible while mounted on the toothed shaft)...
I suspect there is just enough difference in the shaft teeth, that it will allow this wobble... so, I decided not to run with it.  
Don't want to risk getting the shaft teeth eaten up...
So,.. for me, it's a no go... worth a try, and no harm done,.. I just remounted the stocker...

MMRanch did it successfully, but I didn't...
Interested in hearing results if any others try...
50/50 results so far...


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Re: Bigger front pulley... (fail)...
Reply #1 - 04/19/12 at 16:21:08
 
Was it a Kawasaki LTD454 that MMRanch used? I've been thinking about doing this. I have access to a lathe and a milling machine so other than the sprocket it's only going to cost me a bit of time.
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Reply #2 - 04/19/12 at 16:45:15
 
Yup... LTD454... EN500 is supposed to be the same...

PS.. mine definitely slid on to the shaft easier than the stock one... I suspect micro-wiggle...
If it does,... it will eat the shaft... Huh...

I'm sure MM will report if he develops any problem...  
Might want to wait and see,... unless you feel adventurous...
...but, hey... somebody has to try these things... Wink...

It takes a lot of grinding... lots!... excellent exercise... Grin...
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Reply #3 - 04/19/12 at 19:41:11
 
Thanks, Serowbot. I priced a sprocket when my dealer had my bike pulled up onscreen last summer. About $90. But that was the guy from the back; not the owner, so who knows. Sadly they had trouble getting ATVs and bikes dried up in 2011. They dropped Suzuki and are selling the devil out of Polaris ATVs. Added a little gunshop in the back. Now if they just had recliners.... Smiley
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Reply #4 - 04/19/12 at 20:04:12
 
BuMMER!  

I was ready to do this!  

MMRanch: did you notice any "microwiggle" or loosness of the shaft?



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Reply #5 - 04/19/12 at 20:15:24
 
$5 ?... you lucky dog

I found one for about $20, turned out to be scrap as the teeth were worn.  To his credit he made good on it and refunded the entire cost.  I may try JB weld on the teeth... later.

Did you try to rotate the pulley on the shaft... maybe it's out of round.
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Reply #6 - 04/19/12 at 20:57:37
 
It's because the back side of the pulley wasn't perpendicular to the shaft. Something like that should be machined.
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Reply #7 - 04/19/12 at 21:05:10
 
Well Guys

Serowbot looks like you did a great job on making it fit and the pictures are Great !

I doin't know what to say ...  I'm running mine ..    At 55 on the speedo I pass everything on the two lane all the way to any of the local towns.

I chucked it up in the lathe to take off the excess thickness in the middle , but !!!  

the thing is made of steel as hard as the tool steel cutter I tried to cut it with.   So it was out with the angle grinder.   While it was spinning in the lathe I took what I thought was  .010 or .015" off the outside dia. kinda "Just to true-it-up  sort of thing.   The first time I started out with it there was a rub against the outer cover so I put a washer (1/4") between the cover and the case to make it stand out an extra .040" or so.  

Been happy with it every since.   Smiley

I put a new tire on this year :   140/90-15 comander II .    There is only an extra .5" in the front right corner of the swing arm.   but its plenty.

I"m  still somewhat perplexed about the noise comming out of the Head.  OldFeller might have hit the nail on the head with an idea of Valve timing , I might have it one tooth to fast ???  Huh
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Reply #8 - 04/19/12 at 21:10:41
 
one tooth off has been done before, but usually it keeps the speed below 50, maybe you've gone the other way.
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Reply #9 - 04/19/12 at 21:16:01
 
Versey   I'll meet ya on the Knock, Knock  thread .   going there now!
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The difference has to be in the depth we took of the middle of the 25 tooth pulley.   And it can only be a matter of less than .050" .   I didn't do near as neat a job as you did , Just kinda eye-balled it in !   If its rubbing the case on the backside , then how about putting the Kawasaki splined washer behind it and taking the same distance off the front as to break even (minus a miro-wabble).

Just guessing ??? Huh
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Reply #10 - 04/19/12 at 22:14:37
 
Like was said, if the back side of the pulley is not machined true w/ the splined bore, the pulley is only going to run as true the grind job was. It must me machined true w/ the bore.
If the pulley is too hard to cut w/ a carbide tool bit, then it must be machined using a tool post grinder.
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Reply #11 - 04/19/12 at 23:03:26
 
My thought is,.. with steel this sturdy,...(and it is just eyeball ground), but if the inner surface angle isn't true, the splined shaft won't allow the pulley to go off kilter...
If it does,... it ain't as tight as the stock one...

All theory, and guessing,... I just didn't feel comfortable risking it...
If the shaft gets buggered,.. the engine is toast.

But... I could have gotten a bad one...

PSS... I originally went to the scrapyard last week, and the guy said $35... came back on the owners day off, and a different guy said he felt guilty charging me $5 for such a gruddy thing...
Shop around,... and re-shop around...  Wink...

I'm not saying don't try it,... or do.... just relating my experience...
I was originally photo-documenting to make a how to... with MM...
Hope the pics still help anyone else trying it.. even fail pics might be helpful...
Wish I'd had a lathe... I did it clamped in a workmate table walking in circles...
Dizzzzzzy!!!.. Grin...

PS... grinder boo-boo's really hurt!... much nastier than a straight cut...
Tiny dig, on my left pinky... but my band buddies are going to call me a "pu$$y" this weekend...
Grin Grin Grin ... and I am...
(never run a guitar string into a cut, new realms of S&M...)Grin...

Best luck... if results are good,... I may take another shot at it...
Enjoy the experience,... of a bike that isn't a cookie cutter custom...
Every mod on this site, is the result of experiment...
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Reply #12 - 04/20/12 at 02:02:12
 
Serowbot wrote on 04/19/12 at 23:03:26:
My thought is,.. with steel this sturdy,...(and it is just eyeball ground), but if the inner surface angle isn't true, the splined shaft won't allow the pulley to go off kilter...

Don't make that assumption. The pulley would have to be press-fit in order to be snug enough to prevent it from wobbling due to the back side not being true, and even then, it could(would)) still very easily deform when you tighten the nut down. If the spline was longer, it would have less effect, but not on a spline that short. In this case, it's up to the back of the pulley to keep it spinning true.
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Reply #13 - 04/20/12 at 06:50:47
 
Serobot...
Could you take the pulley you have now to someone who could grind it on a lathe now? What you've done so far looks so very close, it shouldn't take much off to get it just right; might be worth another shot at it, especially if it's working for MM...
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Reply #14 - 04/20/12 at 13:15:09
 
Hey guys,.. I've been out in the shop doing deep thoughts and some measurements...

I think the consensus is correct... the inner surface needs to be trued on a lathe...
I am surprised that the pulley can be cocked on the shaft, but that appears to be it...
So,.. recommend if you try it... you need access to a lathe...

I'm going to sit on this project for while and see if a lathe turns up in my sphere of influence...
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