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03/29/12 at 23:29:36
 
Hey guys, I've been turning my '01 savage into a bobber and I'm almost done, but I have made a good bit of changes and am wondering if I need to put on a new carb or rejet it.  I had the bike straight piped before I started to bob it and it ran great and seemed to help the backfiring issue that is common with these bikes, but I have also done away with the stock air filter and built a K&N cold air intake kinda thing that looks a lot better and cleans up the lines of the bike.  I mainly want the bike to run smoothly, but extra power would be great as well.    

What do yall suggest?  I'm up for any and all suggestions.

Thanks!
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Reply #1 - 03/30/12 at 00:58:31
 
What are the characteristics of it? IOW/ Howzit runnin?
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Reply #2 - 03/30/12 at 04:22:07
 
Hi. My understanding is that the Savage's power is somewhat limited not by the small carb but by the small valves.

Actually, I've read of a few Savage firebreathers which had a worked over OEM carb, but had beautifully modified heads as well.

You should disassemble the head and take it to a specialist; see what oversize valves are available. Check against valve heads hitting each other during overlap.

Overboring the cylinder is an option for some but I see little point in increasing displacement by a few ccs unless the original piston is badly worn or has 7-digit miles on it.

A reground cam is recommended because it will help valve lift and timing.

Keep in mind that a "K&N cold air intake kinda thing"  may look the part BUT the airflow needs quite a few inches of pipe before hitting the jets and butterfly.
May I suggest you consider either a short (40mm x 3 = 120mm = 3 in.) straight pipe between air filter and butterfly, and an airflow regulator...
...essentially short  1" lengths of plastic straws cut and glued to each other in order to fit snugly inside the pipe between the air filter and the butterfly.
This gimmicky device will regulate ariflow into many small "windpipes" and air will flow more disciplined inside the carb.

Last, consider a 3-electrode spark plug such as fitted to BMW motorcycles, they will NOT foul !  Wink
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Reply #3 - 03/30/12 at 10:22:05
 
mpescatori wrote on 03/30/12 at 04:22:07:
Hi. My understanding is that the Savage's power is somewhat limited not by the small carb but by the small valves.

Actually, I've read of a few Savage firebreathers which had a worked over OEM carb, but had beautifully modified heads as well.

You should disassemble the head and take it to a specialist; see what oversize valves are available. Check against valve heads hitting each other during overlap.

Overboring the cylinder is an option for some but I see little point in increasing displacement by a few ccs unless the original piston is badly worn or has 7-digit miles on it.

A reground cam is recommended because it will help valve lift and timing.

Keep in mind that a "K&N cold air intake kinda thing"  may look the part BUT the airflow needs quite a few inches of pipe before hitting the jets and butterfly.
May I suggest you consider either a short (40mm x 3 = 120mm = 3 in.) straight pipe between air filter and butterfly, and an airflow regulator...
...essentially short  1" lengths of plastic straws cut and glued to each other in order to fit snugly inside the pipe between the air filter and the butterfly.
This gimmicky device will regulate ariflow into many small "windpipes" and air will flow more disciplined inside the carb.

Last, consider a 3-electrode spark plug such as fitted to BMW motorcycles, they will NOT foul !  Wink



Cheesy      

Remember, he wuz truthful, he said he's "read of a few Savage firebreathers" and he never sez he's done any of the above or below items himself.   Me, I've never even read any first hand accounts of people changing the valve tulip sizes in the Savage head (likely quite expensive to do I would think).  

As far as Diamond Jim's trick with the stacked straws, Lancer removed the same from Black Beauty when he bought the bike as he didn't think it did anything helpful and was making tuning more troublesome.

If memory serves, there are very few Savages around with plug fouling issues that don't have unresolved carb issues (way rich) and/or wear issues with piston rings or a set of valve seals that needed replacing but the fraudulent mechanic that didn't even take the new parts out of the baggies charged for the repair work but didn't actually put the seals into somebody's head when they "expertly reworked it".


Read here for more realistic ways to increase power.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1291516932


signed:   Oldfeller, rider of the infamous Grandma sickle, destroyer of a fast ridden 1,200cc Sportster, destroyer of dual Hurleys, reigning "fastest Savage on the East Coast"  

(until somebody shows up at the Dragon this summer to kick my butt finally       Wink     we all know it has to happen eventually as 4 years is too too long to stay on top of the heap)

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Reply #4 - 03/30/12 at 11:26:14
 
Oldfeller, I think topanga rider would give you some serious competition... absolutely blows me away.   Shocked
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Reply #5 - 03/30/12 at 12:04:56
 
 
Somebody light & small (like Lancer) riding my bike might some be competition for somebody -- I am not delusional, all it will take is a fresh bike with some moderate mods to kick my butt all the way down the mountain.  

Most of what I do is total surprise, a fat old fock riding a grandma sleeper sickle cutting around them on the inside of a turn and then running away from them on the little straight away has led many a hurley into going into that next turn too durn fast for the hurley to actually complete.

They can't say I did it to them, they did it to themselves ....   their ego, actually.

Nobody can stand being out ridden by a fat old grandpa on a puny single lung grandma sickle.

Especially when you are on your new Ducati all decked out in your pretty new riding leathers ...

(imagine the shame, a $10,000 "racing" bike, wearing $1,000 in riding leathers and gear and having a worn out old fart on a worn out looking single just outright tromped yer butt on Fontana road on the way up to the Dragon)

Now, lots of people on 600cc KawaHondaZukis tromp all over my butt all the time, so I do realize there are faster bikes and riders.  

The fact they have to exert themselves at all is insult enough, I guess.

However, my goal this summer is to get my butt kicked by another Savage.

(Lancer, MM,  are you listening?)

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Reply #6 - 03/30/12 at 15:10:29
 
Yep, just proves there is posers and then there is riders. Does em good to get their ego tromped.
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