When you type in little tiny red fonts I usually almost miss it..

White jug Rottella it is!
Ladeeees and gentlemen, Welcome to the fight of the ceeentury! In this conaaaa, wieghing in at 10 w 40, is the middle weight woooorld champion... CASTROL GTX. In the othaaa conaaaa... wighing in at 10 w 40 is the contendaaaa WHITE JUG ROTELLA. (whistles, cheers, shouts etc etc)
This bout, in ten rounds, will decide the Suzuki Savage S40 all time best dino oil championship.
Gentlemen, I want a clean fight, no hitting below the belt, and no reference to Klotz. Now go back to your corners and come out fighting.
DING DING DING DING

Retread wrote on 02/28/12 at 16:55:50:

This pot is stirred frequently here. Its all in fun.

Ok then, I'm going to change to Amsoil after 200 miles... There, now you will all have to go to the Royal Purple/Redline/Amsoil wars....



This is your first shot in an oil war?    


 Are you French by any chance?

 
Here here now, Bill cheat?   Surely you jest -- according to Billshooter we (everybody else) are the cheaters and the liars.


Castrol took a little heat from when GTX stopped being good for flat tappet engines back when SM grades took effect (we are now working on the SN grade changeover, BTW) but they documented a solution for flat tappet engines as follows:

Dear James,

Thank you for contacting Castrol North America.

Castrol always recommends following the guidelines of the original engine manufacturer for the recommended grade and API specific to your application. This information can be found in the vehicles owner’s manual or by contacting the manufacturer directly.

Unfortunately we do not have a recommendation for a 1980 Ferrari 308gtsi as requested below. We would recommend contacting your OEM (Original Engine Manufacturer)for further assistance in obtaining the correct oil for your vehicle.

With regard to ZDDP issues, the API SM/ILSAC GF-4 engine oil category calls for reduced Zinc and Phosphorus levels to allow extended catalyst life in current model vehicles. There appear to be field issues associated with the SM/GF-4 oil's level of anti-wear in the classic car engines known as flat tappet cam engines. The current late model passenger car engines are not flat tappet cam engines and have no reported field issues related to the level of anti-wear chemistry in the SM/GF-4 oils.

Castrol SYNTEC 20W-50 classic car formulation is being replaced by Castrol Edge with SYNTEC Power Technology in the 5W-50 viscosity grade. The 5W-50 grade will also be specially formulated for classic car use and will adopt the 20W-50 claims – designed for use in classic cars. The 5W-50 formulation will contain more zinc additives than the 20W-50 and will also enhance start up ability in cold temperatures as well as enable better fuel economy* *Compared to SAE 20W-50.

Again, we do recommend contacting Ferrari for a specific product recommendation for your vehicle.

Thank you again for contacting Castrol, we value your patronage!

Castrol Consumer Relations
1-800-462-0835


Now if you punch Castrol Classic Car Formulation into your web browser you will see that Castrol freely admits their GTX oil isn't for flat tappet engines any more and you should use this stuff instead.

http://www.castrol.com/castrol/genericarticle.do?categoryId=82915470&contentI...

I thought this was supposed to be a clean fight?
dino vs olive oil.

ok, ok... we gotta let bill play too.  marques of queensburry rules.

state your miles with your preferred oil w/o major repair.
upgrades, cam chain and oil leaks don't count.

 
So, whut do ya do to get some proper oil in your Savage?


Pick a JASO MA/MA2 rated wet clutch approved motorcycle oil that has 1200 ppm of ZDDP in it.

Heck, you can find the stuff all over the place at bike shops and such for $9 to $13 a quart -- all day long you can shell out them sheckles and buy the pricey correct bike rated stuff.



Or you can go diesel .....


(Bill jest loves this part)


Diesel oils like white jug Rotella dino 15w40 have 1200 PPM of ZDDP along with a terrific detergent and surfactant package that can go 100,000 miles between oil changes in a 20:1 compression supercharged diesel engine.

And to finalize Bill's insult and injury --- Rotella has the full approval of the Japanese Standards Organization and has been awarded both JASO MA and MA2 ratings !!!   Rotella is good for ANY motorcycle engine any generation with or without a catalytic converter .....

Now, a little salt sprinkled on Bill's aching boo boos

White jug Rotella Dino costs a lot less per quart than the Castrol GTX that we started out warring with.

To make it REALLY REALLY sting really really bad, Blue jug Rotella T6 full synthetic costs less per quart than the Castrol GTX that we started out warring against.


And Blue Jug Rotella T6 beat Bill's $13 a quart Klotz in a data driven comparison in a Savage engine right here on the list .....


(more than once, too)