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baker87 Junior Member Offline ridin since 06 Posts: 84 venus tx Gender:	verslagen or serowbot or oldfeller or boule'tard 01/17/12 at 19:59:08 so i have just found a serious problem and was wondering if the timing chain tensioner coming apart could cause u to loose 5th gear? i modified it myself it was crude but it works... i have spots where the chain tensioner hit the clutch basket...
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28639 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: verslagen or serowbot or oldfeller or boule'ta Reply #1 - 01/17/12 at 22:09:05 I can't imagine how... 5th should be right where you left it,... once you replace the camchain... ...
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: verslagen or serowbot or oldfeller or boule'ta Reply #2 - 01/17/12 at 22:23:37 That alone wouldn't do it. but if it locked up, could've busted a gear. but never heard of it.
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Re: verslagen or serowbot or oldfeller or boule'ta
Reply #3 - 01/17/12 at 23:14:44

Nope, not unless a chunk of metal trash got into your gear case and fouled something up in the gear clusters/shifting forks.

You do realize you can live a full and productive life around town without a 5th gear? Theoretically you can get up to 85-90 mph in 4th gear with a stock savage with the proper mods?

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: verslagen or serowbot or oldfeller or boule'ta Reply #4 - 01/17/12 at 23:34:49 It would bug me, but I wouldnt split the cases to fix it. The RPM drop between 4th & 5th is too small to worry about it.
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Routy Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2280 Winston Oregon Gender:	Re: verslagen or serowbot or oldfeller or boule'ta Reply #5 - 01/18/12 at 06:13:05 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/17/12 at 23:34:49: It would bug me, but I wouldnt split the cases to fix it. The RPM drop between 4th & 5th is too small to worry about it. You not be tell'n that to Bill !! He wants 3 higher gears, not 1 lower ! You'z guys would just love it here in Quartzsite !
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baker87 Junior Member Offline ridin since 06 Posts: 84 venus tx Gender:	Re: verslagen or serowbot or oldfeller or boule'ta Reply #6 - 01/18/12 at 09:41:33 where could i find pics of trans assembly? i would too see where fifth gear is in the trans.... i think something demolished the gear or cast iron shift fork... and how detrimental is it to the engine too run it at highway speeds for a extended amount of time?
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Re: verslagen or serowbot or oldfeller or boule'ta
Reply #7 - 01/18/12 at 09:53:01

baker87 wrote on 01/18/12 at 09:41:33:

where could i find pics of trans assembly? i would too see where fifth gear is in the trans.... i think something demolished the gear or cast iron shift fork... and how detrimental is it to the engine too run it at highway speeds for a extended amount of time?

Try this link and see if you can find what you're looking for...

http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID/26/Type/Motorcycle/MakeID/2/Make/Suzuki/...

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Re: verslagen or serowbot or oldfeller or boule'ta
Reply #8 - 01/22/12 at 09:09:49

Since the tranny in inside the case halves and the tensioner is not, the metal piece from the tensioner would sink then flow into the small case holes down low. Chances are it's not a chunk stuck somewhere. The part(s) is probably in the oil muck on the bottom of the cases that never drains out.

ALSO..... the tranny is a constant mesh tranny. If something got into the gears, you would hear it in every gear since they are all moving.

When I rebuild my engine (bought the bike with engine in pieces due to melted piston), I split the cases to clean up the small pieces of aluminum from the piston. There was only one or two tiny pieces in the gears and remember, the piston is in the same section of the case as the gears. The tensioner is not.

I would check the linkage adjustment. If I recall correctly, going into fifth was a tad bit more of a stretch/click to get in. Check the cheap stuff first.

As a FYI, the 5th gear, from the parts diagram (see tech section), is the second gear in from the output side of the tranny (far side of pict below).

Here's a pict I took when I had the cases apart.

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Reply #9 - 01/22/12 at 17:15:48

baker87 wrote on 01/18/12 at 09:41:33:

... and how detrimental is it to the engine too run it at highway speeds for a extended amount of time?

Won't hurt the tranny at all... extended rides at 70+mph will cause some oil usage (that's kinda' normal for a big thumper)...
I'd check the level at each fill-up...

(I also tend to get a big backfire coming off throttle, after an extended 70+ run)... I think it's the pipe getting too hot...

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SurfJunkie Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 66	Re: verslagen or serowbot or oldfeller or boule'ta Reply #10 - 01/23/12 at 14:58:02 I concur with Serow Ive got an 86 and its only a 4 speed. Spot on about oil usage, and the fact that it does just fine at 70 mph. (however its not fun for distance rides to be stuck around 70-80 mph and be almost flat out. ) Regards,
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