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Cam and ignition timing
12/06/11 at 14:53:41

I finally installed the head on my motor and found that I cannot get my cam timing perfect so I made an assumption. I should set the cam at retard rather than advance due to the following assumptions.

1. chain guide is slightly worn
2. slight resurfacing of the cylinder deck
3. cam chain is slightly worn and stretched

So after I reasoned this to myself I thought, "how do I adjust timing?" Is there an easy way to do this? Is it even worth the trouble?

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RycaShawn Full Member Offline Ryca Fan Posts: 145 Los Angeles Gender:	Re: Cam and ignition timing Reply #1 - 12/06/11 at 15:02:09 duh, adjust the position of the pulse generator of course...right?
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Re: Cam and ignition timing
Reply #2 - 12/06/11 at 15:43:14

RycaShawn wrote on 12/06/11 at 14:53:41:

I finally installed the head on my motor and found that I cannot get my cam timing perfect so I made an assumption. I should set the cam at retard rather than advance due to the following assumptions.

1. chain guide is slightly worn
2. slight resurfacing of the cylinder deck
3. cam chain is slightly worn and stretched

So after I reasoned this to myself I thought, "how do I adjust timing?" Is there an easy way to do this? Is it even worth the trouble?

1.The forward guide is straight so wear won't impact timing.
2. ~0.010" will retard timing 1°
3. Yeah, stretched chain will retard timing.

What's the allowance?... .070"?
How much does the cam chain adjuster stick out of the housing?
18mm is cause to replace the chain and guides or install a verslavy.

Cam chain will only affect valve timing, not ignition timing... so no need to adjust it.

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Oldfeller--FSO Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline Hobby is now "concentrated neuropany" Posts: 12673 Fayetteville, NC Gender:	Re: Cam and ignition timing Reply #3 - 12/06/11 at 20:45:01 More to the point, there is no real "adjustment" to the system to take up for cam chain wear. We run the chains until they plumb hit themselves in the middle and no one really notices any change in performance. If there is one, it is mild.
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RycaShawn Full Member Offline Ryca Fan Posts: 145 Los Angeles Gender:	Re: Cam and ignition timing Reply #4 - 12/07/11 at 07:58:18 verslagen1 wrote on 12/06/11 at 15:43:14: Cam chain will only affect valve timing, not ignition timing... so no need to adjust it. If valve timing changes, why wouldn't you want to adjust ignition timing as well? btw I have the web cam and 96mm Weisco slug.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Cam and ignition timing Reply #5 - 12/07/11 at 08:26:21 ig timing is to the piston, not the valves. if you want to adjust the ig timing for added performance, that's acceptable. but you don't need to do it for valve timing. I don't think even with the web cams that valve timing is aggressive enough to warrant adjusting the ig timing for a few degrees of retarded timing.
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RycaShawn Full Member Offline Ryca Fan Posts: 145 Los Angeles Gender:	Re: Cam and ignition timing Reply #6 - 12/07/11 at 16:48:43 Good point. Thanks for the reminder.
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RycaShawn Full Member Offline Ryca Fan Posts: 145 Los Angeles Gender:	Re: Cam and ignition timing Reply #7 - 12/08/11 at 12:06:02 So the service manual says to adjust valve lash to 3-5 thou at room temperature (95F) What kind of room is 95F??? Its about 65F right now so I adjusted to 0.005" Should be good right? Especially if the motor is going to run a little hotter that stock with the mods...
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Cam and ignition timing Reply #8 - 12/08/11 at 18:19:50 Thats a safe start. Pay attention to it, see how long till it needs adjusted. How many miles on that engine? The tighter you can get it w/o closing the gap completely, the longer it will go between adjustments & the better valve openings youll get. Couple O thousandths is a couple of thousandths,,
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