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mmosel Senior Member 2005 No Login Offline My bike is officially THUMPING now. Posts: 415 NW Oregon Gender:	Re: What in the heck are these bikes? Reply #15 - 09/16/11 at 22:53:52 Well, I guess we'll find out soon enough. I'm sure people will start buying them and reporting on how well they run, and for how long...
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Reply #16 - 09/17/11 at 07:24:43

Boofer wrote on 09/16/11 at 20:49:16:

I don't know if this is true, but a motorcycle writer once said that Harley or Davidson once said, "The American buyer will never accept a four cylinder in-line engine." I've thought about buying up some of these Chinese bikes for a song and getting knowledgable about them. May be a gold mine. Very few dealers and absolutely no support. If you can find suppliers online the parts are dirt cheap. Check 'em out. Of course the thing that bugs me is helping out China in the process. I don't feel the same about Japan, for some reason. Must be the Communism.

Sorry, Boofer, but somehow methinks that the Chinese government isn't communist at all.

Quite the contrary, mao dead, the finally DID get their chance at the Great Leap Fprward, and leap they did, to the point they cught up with the rest of the world quite quickly.
So quickly, they are now third, or second, of first of the world's most industrialized nations, depends on who writes the resume.

Those bikes remind me of Henry Ford's Model T - anything you like, but it comes with one (or two) types of engine, period.

Grab your chance at becoming your State's one and only ricer dealer providing tech support - it may make you rich very very quickly.

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Reply #17 - 09/17/11 at 14:55:31

I had a Chinese 150cc scooter once. The carburetor needed to be rebuilt before it would run, Brand new right out of the crate. I also had a Chinese bobber style bike , the engine ran solid but all of the other parts especially the electrical system was piss poor quality. The prices are very low but you get what you pay for. If you like fixing stuff all the time than you will love the quality of these bikes Wink

I will stick with my savage

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mmosel Senior Member 2005 No Login Offline My bike is officially THUMPING now. Posts: 415 NW Oregon Gender:	Re: What in the heck are these bikes? Reply #18 - 09/17/11 at 15:03:39 One law of this world, which seems to be very consistent: You get what you pay for.
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PiaFea Junior Member Offline Against the Wind ! Posts: 96 Houston, Texas - USA Gender:	Re: What in the heck are these bikes? Reply #19 - 09/18/11 at 19:28:27 In my opinion, these chinese bikes ... may look nice on advertisement ads, but once you see one and test drive one, they are of very little quality. I would not spent my $$ on any of them ... just my opinion.
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Reply #20 - 09/18/11 at 19:28:59

I understand they are not truly communist, but are they truly socialist? It really doesn't matter. I'm glad I'm over here. Our western "dacadence" and music may be what saves us from them in the end. As far as buying up cheap bikes to rebuild, I have several great ideas a day..then I try to walk across the floor and reality sets in. It seems I'm safer and have less chance of falling when I'm riding. Grin

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WD Serious Thumper 2005 No Login Offline Professional "scooter trash". Posts: 5207 Rosemark TN Gender:	Re: What in the heck are these bikes? Reply #21 - 09/19/11 at 17:31:58 Man does that sound familiar. I think I have a workshop somewhere under the piles of motorcycle stuff, beach cruiser stuff, tractor parts, old car parts... I've got 54 acres to mess up, yet ALL the junk is in/on/around the garage and barn. And front porch (I think I have one of those).
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: What in the heck are these bikes? Reply #22 - 09/19/11 at 22:43:14 mmosel wrote on 09/17/11 at 15:03:39: One law of this world, which seems to be very consistent: You get what you pay for. Almost correct,, YOu will pay for what you get,.,
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Reply #23 - 09/20/11 at 08:04:06

The Chinese may say they are commies,.. and we may accuse them of being commies, but they are increasingly driven by profits,... a notoriously capitalistic notion.

They have some huge advantages for the next decade or so:
-- obscenely cheap labor
-- a work ethic our unions despise
-- a rapidly increasing understanding of technology, manufacture, and innovation
-- the own a lot of the western world when you consider how much of our financial debt they hold

When you combine those advantages with their greed, beware the sleeping dragon.

They are not stupid. If they haven't figured it out already, they will soon understand the western world needs high-quality, reliable, high-performance stuff.

They already know this for the various products they manufacture for name brand old-line companies. In some product lines, they do make quality stuff, but mainly because the western companies contracting with them demand it, and will pay more to have quality stuff produced.

Yes, many of these strangely-named "motorcycles" are junk, but it is only a matter of time until they start sending motorcycles over here that are competitive in every way, and distressingly superior price-wise.

I don't like it. But,... that is the way of the world. Our companies, European companies, and other Pacific rim companies will have to vastly improve in every way to hold off the Chinese onslaught. Look at what happened to BSA, Norton, Zundapp, Jawa, Parilla, Gilera, etc., half a century ago.

Also, remember Marusho, Tohatsu, Bridgestone, Yamaguchi, and so forth? A lot of the the Jap motorcycle companies failed in the 1960s as the market sorted itself out and left the big four to dominate the rest of the world for so long. It makes me wonder about Lifan, Kymko, Zongshen, Hyosung and so forth. Which of these will survive? Which will make better bikes than Suzuki in ten years (and at half the price)?

Anyway, make all the degrading remarks you want about Chinese junk. Many of those remarks are correct. Some aren't. I doubt the Chinese motorcycle invasion will stop, or that most of their products will stay crappy. I'm thinking it will be history repeating itself.

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Built2Last Serious Thumper Offline Tempt Fate Posts: 1447 FTF Gender:	Re: What in the heck are these bikes? Reply #24 - 09/20/11 at 08:12:51 In my little tiny opinionated head, the chinese only make cheap junk to sell BECAUSE it's cheap, and you have to pay less for it, hence you sell more to someone on a budget. Selling for cheap is a business model, but it has been taken over by no quality products.
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Reply #25 - 09/20/11 at 09:46:29

Gyrobob wrote on 09/20/11 at 08:04:06:

The Chinese may say they are commies,.. and we may accuse them of being commies, but they are increasingly driven by profits,... a notoriously capitalistic notion.

I think the difference is who gets the profits. I am no expert and not claiming to know but I assume that many of those factories in China that produce "cheap" products are run by the state and manned by practically slave labor.

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Reply #26 - 09/20/11 at 10:07:33

Slave labor type environment, yes, state owned? IDK,, I know Corporations appear to own them, but what %age has to be paid to the State?? IDK,,

Look up

chinese workers suicide

Chinese Factory Under Scrutiny as Suicides Mount - Time Magazine

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After Suicides, Technology Firm Raises Salaries - NYTimes.com

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Apple's Chinese Workers Forced to Sign Anti-Suicide Pledge ...

May 1, 2011 ... An investigation into the conditions of Chinese workers has revealed the shocking human cost of producing the must-have Apple iPhones and ...

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China: Another suicide at Foxconn - China Worker

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Foxconn faces fresh suicide fears as 14th worker dies - Telegraph

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Chinese worker commits suicide after losing prototype iPhone 4G ...

Jul 21, 2009 ... VentureBeat reports (via News reports coming out of China) that 25 year-old Sun Danyong committed suicide on July 9 after a ...

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Chinese iPad Workers Forced To Sign "No Suicide" Pledge - The ...

May 5, 2011 ... A new investigation by two NGO's into working conditions at two major Chinese factories run by Foxconn responsible for pumping out iPads ...

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: What in the heck are these bikes? Reply #27 - 09/20/11 at 10:31:40 One wonders how were they planning on enforcing the pledge?
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Gyrobob Serious Thumper Offline Posers ain't motorcyclists Posts: 2571 Newnan, GA Gender:	Re: What in the heck are these bikes? Reply #28 - 09/20/11 at 12:21:44 I wonder what the suicide rate will be among the motorcycle companies/dealers put out of business in the next decade or so.
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