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Gyrobob Serious Thumper Offline Posers ain't motorcyclists Posts: 2571 Newnan, GA Gender:	Re: From Lien to Bobber to Cafe: RYCA Build Reply #255 - 07/22/11 at 18:10:23 mmosel wrote on 07/22/11 at 16:52:12: Question: Why do these Ryca builds retain the old shifting lever? The old shift lever is repurposed to actuate the decompression lever.
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Reply #256 - 07/24/11 at 13:04:01

mmosel wrote on 07/22/11 at 16:52:12:

wheelchairstuntn wrote on 07/22/11 at 10:34:05:

mmosel wrote on 07/21/11 at 16:15:09:

Nice build. Do you know what source the Emgo style shorty muffler came from? And, do you have any video of the bike running on youtube? I'd love to hear it thump.

thanks! emgo muffler came with the ryca kit but im sure you can find it online.

follow the link for the bike starting up
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1304297812/194#194

Cool thanks for the link. Sounds great, I like the sound of the this shorty reverse type muffler. It's just impossible to know how loud they really are from a video. I hope they aren't tooo loud. I wonder how they compare in loudness to a Harley Dyna muffler.

Question: Why do these Ryca builds retain the old shifting lever?

i didnt keep the old shifter. i came up with an alternative. click here for more on that: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1304297812/128#128

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Reply #257 - 07/24/11 at 13:07:32

mmosel wrote on 07/22/11 at 16:52:12:

wheelchairstuntn wrote on 07/22/11 at 10:34:05:

mmosel wrote on 07/21/11 at 16:15:09:

Nice build. Do you know what source the Emgo style shorty muffler came from? And, do you have any video of the bike running on youtube? I'd love to hear it thump.

thanks! emgo muffler came with the ryca kit but im sure you can find it online.

follow the link for the bike starting up
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1304297812/194#194

Cool thanks for the link. Sounds great, I like the sound of the this shorty reverse type muffler. It's just impossible to know how loud they really are from a video. I hope they aren't tooo loud. I wonder how they compare in loudness to a Harley Dyna muffler.

Question: Why do these Ryca builds retain the old shifting lever?

yeah, its loud but its not obnoxiously loud. im very happy with the tone actually and havent modified it by putting extra baffle inside. people can hear me down the street and actually move out of the way when im splitting lanes. its very different compared to the stock muffler when people would just ignore me. id rather be loud and heard then quiet, ignored and potentially dead....?

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CalisOsin Senior Member Offline Rather die, than live down on my knees. Posts: 297 Orange County, Ca Gender:	Re: From Lien to Bobber to Cafe: RYCA Build Reply #258 - 07/25/11 at 09:24:45 Maybe I missed it, but did we ever confirm the start sequence? Can you just turn your brass handle and release it, or does it need to be held down during start up?
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Reply #259 - 07/25/11 at 09:48:11

CalisOsin wrote on 07/25/11 at 09:24:45:

Maybe I missed it, but did we ever confirm the start sequence? Can you just turn your brass handle and release it, or does it need to be held down during start up?

Moving the handle lifts the exhaust valve a bit to allow it to leak on purpose. The starter can then overcome the massive resistance of a 650cc piston on the compression stroke. If you let go of the handle, the valve can close all the way, as allowed by the exhaust cam.

Hold the handle down until the motor fires, but let go right away.

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CalisOsin Senior Member Offline Rather die, than live down on my knees. Posts: 297 Orange County, Ca Gender:	Re: From Lien to Bobber to Cafe: RYCA Build Reply #260 - 07/25/11 at 09:55:45 Ok, so I assume the clutch safety was removed?
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Reply #261 - 07/25/11 at 11:26:14

CalisOsin wrote on 07/25/11 at 09:55:45:

Ok, so I assume the clutch safety was removed?

kinda hard to hold 2 levers with the same hand in't it?

How long do you have to have to hold the decomp lever?
Until the engine is turning.

The automatic decomp actuates for a half second or thereabouts.
Once the starter has got up to speed, it has enough moment to get thru the compression stroke. So I'd let go as soon as I hear exhaust.

And really, you only need to pull this lever when the starter stalls. Depending on how your engines spins down on shutoff, it could start right up w/o touching the decomp lever. But if it stops at compression every time, then you'll need to pull the lever every time.

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CalisOsin Senior Member Offline Rather die, than live down on my knees. Posts: 297 Orange County, Ca Gender:	Re: From Lien to Bobber to Cafe: RYCA Build Reply #262 - 07/25/11 at 11:44:37 Thanks Vers, another question for you now: is there any potential to harm anything if you decide to try and start each time once before holding down the decomp lever? I don't imagine it would rain your battery excessively unless you already have an issue there.
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RycaShawn Full Member Offline Ryca Fan Posts: 145 Los Angeles Gender:	Re: From Lien to Bobber to Cafe: RYCA Build Reply #263 - 07/25/11 at 11:49:36 It over stresses the starter. Unnecessary wear. Shortens the lifespan.
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Reply #264 - 07/25/11 at 12:13:34

CalisOsin wrote on 07/25/11 at 11:44:37:

Thanks Vers, another question for you now: is there any potential to harm anything if you decide to try and start each time once before holding down the decomp lever? I don't imagine it would rain your battery excessively unless you already have an issue there.

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Depending on how your engines spins down on shutoff, it could start right up w/o touching the decomp lever. But if it stops at compression every time, then you'll need to pull the lever every time.

If your engines stops on compression stroke, and every time you go to start it and it stalls, yeah it can be hard on the starter. I've heard stories where people have had the decomp completely out of adjustment and every so often it stalls and won't start.

Otherwise, it'll be no different then with the autodecomp. Might even be better as when mine is adjusted perfect, it starts on the 1st turn. And yes, my decomp isn't adjusted per the manual. Adjusted by feel and effect. Per the manual, the engine will turn over about 3 times before it lights. Start readjusting from here. Loosen the cable in small increments till it starts quicker. If it stalls, it's too loose.

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Reply #265 - 07/25/11 at 14:32:28

verslagen1 wrote on 07/25/11 at 12:13:34:

And yes, my decomp isn't adjusted per the manual. Adjusted by feel and effect. Per the manual, the engine will turn over about 3 times before it lights. Start readjusting from here. Loosen the cable in small increments till it starts quicker. If it stalls, it's too loose.

That's some darn good info there. Thanks again!

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Reply #266 - 07/25/11 at 18:48:29

CalisOsin wrote on 07/25/11 at 09:24:45:

Maybe I missed it, but did we ever confirm the start sequence? Can you just turn your brass handle and release it, or does it need to be held down during start up?

sequence is:
bike in neutral
key-on
manual lever down (if engine is in compression stroke)
engage starter button
varrrrrrooooooooom!

kill switch from clutch and kickstand were both removed.

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Reply #267 - 07/25/11 at 18:51:31

verslagen1 wrote on 07/25/11 at 11:26:14:

CalisOsin wrote on 07/25/11 at 09:55:45:

Ok, so I assume the clutch safety was removed?

kinda hard to hold 2 levers with the same hand in't it?

How long do you have to have to hold the decomp lever?
Until the engine is turning.

once engine fires up the manual decomp lever will move out of your hand. letting go isnt a question as the action is faster than a speeding bullet... well maybe its a question for superman...

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Reply #268 - 07/26/11 at 07:59:40

wheelchairstuntn wrote on 07/25/11 at 18:51:31:

once engine fires up the manual decomp lever will move out of your hand. letting go isnt a question as the action is faster than a speeding bullet... well maybe its a question for superman...

can you describe that a little more? Any chance of injury there with this happening so fast? This is a mod I'm seriously interested in, so if you don't mind, I'd love to know as mush as possible.

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T2 Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 83 Frederick, CO	Re: From Lien to Bobber to Cafe: RYCA Build Reply #269 - 07/26/11 at 08:46:58 Does the lever get hot enough to be a problem if you make a stop during a ride?
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