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Reply #30 - 04/20/11 at 12:44:20

Nice job cleaning up the shaft and it looks like the needle bearings have their own inner race so the fit should be good. If not, Loctite and other brands, have fillers designed to take up the space between the race and the shaft. Looks like the corrosion is what led to the end of the bearings. I think most of the bearings in these bikes are standard metric sizes if you have access to an industrial supplier it would save you lots of money.

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Reply #31 - 04/21/11 at 09:20:16

Thanks for the tip. I tried it even though I'm planning on tearing the top apart any way. I was actually really surprised with the result... hardly any noticeable difference at all! With a cold engine I was consistently getting 110-115PSI.

I tried a couple of other things just for the hell of it: unplugging the decomp solenoid had no effect on the compression. Doing the compression test with the throttle wide open to let more air into the cylinder before the compression stroke gave me a pressure of 175PSI... interesting but not really useful.

I'm curious/dreading to see the state of my valves. Report will follow.

Mikael

RidgeRunner13 wrote on 04/19/11 at 12:46:33:

Squirt oil in the cylinder & retest compression. A significant rise indicates bad rings, little or none = valves. Cool

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Reply #32 - 04/22/11 at 10:06:33

Thanks Engineer

I got one of the bearing housings out today, but I'll leave the other to soak another day.
It was suggested by an acquaintance to drop the bearings in the swing arm pivot all together, and just machine some brass bushings and install a couple of grease nipples. If it wasn't for the fact that I have already ordered the bearings I might just have tried that... would have been a lot cheaper Wink

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engineer wrote on 04/20/11 at 12:44:20:

Nice job cleaning up the shaft and it looks like the needle bearings have their own inner race so the fit should be good. If not, Loctite and other brands, have fillers designed to take up the space between the race and the shaft. Looks like the corrosion is what led to the end of the bearings. I think most of the bearings in these bikes are standard metric sizes if you have access to an industrial supplier it would save you lots of money.

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Reply #33 - 04/22/11 at 12:31:26

I got that horrible sinking feeling in my stomach... or rather, wallet when I took the head cover off today.

First annoyance: The 6x125 head bolt broke off. Luckily I got the rest out easily. One of the 6x39 bolts were so rounded off I had to drill it out. The 6x115 bolt turned out to be just a threaded rod with a nut poorly welded on.

1st. issue: The pads on the rocker arms that are in contact with the cams appears to be very worn. There is a slight lip indicating the original thickness. I'll take some measurements tomorrow. The picture isn't very descriptive, but some of you experienced Savage wrenchers might see the extent of the wear.

2nd issue: In the bellow pictures you can see that there appears to be significant wear in the cam shaft "seat" (probably not the right term). I havent had a chance to check for any play between the cam and the "seat". If this wear is unacceptable, is there any way to fix it, or do I need to shell out for a new head?

This was sort of a downer, so I'm hoping someone can cast some positive light on my predicament

Mikael

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: New old savage Reply #34 - 04/22/11 at 13:06:46 rocker arm repair... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1268653293 Cam Journal repair... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1268452150
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mcentric Junior Member Offline Savage Viking Posts: 58 Skedsmokorset, Norway Gender:	Re: New old savage Reply #35 - 04/22/11 at 13:53:45 Excellent! Thanks verslagen! Mikael verslagen1 wrote on 04/22/11 at 13:06:46: rocker arm repair... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1268653293 Cam Journal repair... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1268452150
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Reply #36 - 04/25/11 at 06:33:34

No new discoveries today, but I managed to find time to get the engine out of the frame.

I got started on a cradle for the engine, so I can bolt it to the bench, but I didn't quite finish it yet.
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Something's missing.... just can't put my finger on it Cheesy

Waiting for its cradle

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mcentric Junior Member Offline Savage Viking Posts: 58 Skedsmokorset, Norway Gender:	Re: New old savage Reply #38 - 04/26/11 at 04:39:18 Cool! That looks practical and easy to make! Mine will be a wood/metal combo as well Mikael MotoBuddha wrote on 04/25/11 at 10:14:35: Here's the stand I made. http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk182/motobuddha/a56efb6f.jpg
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Reply #39 - 05/02/11 at 12:44:25

I still haven't had time to get started with the engine servicing, so I'll have to get back to that.

I have, though, started purchasing parts for my bobberizing project next winter

An after-market HD peanut tank. The mounting tabs will be removed and new ones fabbed. It will ride slightly lower on the backbone than the pic indicates now.

A Wide Glide front fender. It will be split down the middle and strip of steel added to widen it. The back end will be bobbed slightly, and voila, new rear fender.

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Reply #40 - 05/06/11 at 11:09:51

Time is flying away from me here! I'm gonna make a real effort to get the bike back together this weekend.

I still need to get the head off to better diagnose the low compression I have. I bough a piston ring set, but unless the the valves are completely clean I'll put off changing them until the winter when I'll start my bobber project.

All I got done today was finish my engine stand and mount the engine.

Mikael

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: New old savage Reply #41 - 05/06/11 at 11:34:59 nice engine stand
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mcentric Junior Member Offline Savage Viking Posts: 58 Skedsmokorset, Norway Gender:	Re: New old savage Reply #42 - 06/08/11 at 07:42:36 hopefully a partial cure for my tap dancing engine
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RycaShawn Full Member Offline Ryca Fan Posts: 145 Los Angeles Gender:	Re: New old savage Reply #43 - 06/13/11 at 11:55:22 mcentric: What's the progress on your engine?
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mcentric Junior Member Offline Savage Viking Posts: 58 Skedsmokorset, Norway Gender:	Re: New old savage Reply #44 - 06/14/11 at 00:23:37 The picture above is pretty much how it looks right now. I have the engine out of the bike again, and the head is disassembled, but time is not plentiful at the moment. Hopefully I'll have the new parts in by this weekend. miko RycaShawn wrote on 06/13/11 at 11:55:22: mcentric: What's the progress on your engine?
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