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Mid-range hesitation
02/21/11 at 11:09:46
 
I'm having some issues tuning my carb for best performance. I know, this is a worn out topic, but I couldn't find an answer in the tech section...

I have a hard krome exhaust, big k&n intake, 52.5 pilot, 155 main and 1/2 spacer. 2001 6k miles

Great performance between 0-1/4 throttle and at low rpms.

The main issue I'm having is that at around 3-4krpm, with 3/8-1/2 throttle, the bike hesitates and jerks back and forth. I would put it in 3rd, and give it half gas steady. It accelerates modestly, but at around 3.5k, there is a clear loss of power and jerky hesitation. No popping or other sounds. Does this mean I have too little or too much spacer removed?

Also, I have to make sure, the dimple in the plate that goes over the white spacer faces TOWARDS the spacer, making contact with it, correct?  

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Re: Mid-range hesitation
Reply #1 - 02/21/11 at 11:28:17
 
I think the spacer is right place to look,...  don't know if it needs more or less though...
Maybe try both, and see which makes an improvement...

... does one notch on the enrichment valve help or hurt?...Huh...
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Reply #2 - 02/21/11 at 11:33:23
 
How's the top end?

If that's ok, then shave a little more off the spacer.
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Reply #3 - 02/21/11 at 11:43:30
 
I just picked up a 2007 with 2,400 miles.  

After drilling out the brass plug, draining the gas, and setting the idle, I took it for a run.  

I experienced the very same thing.  It will accelerate just fine, but at a steady mid-range rpm, it hunts and stutters.

During the evenings this week, I'm going to pull the carb, and reduce the white spacer by 1/2 (down to 2.5MM), and give it another try.

I'll update when I'm done and let you know if it solves my problem.  I what to get this sorted out before looking at the main jet.

Problem right now is the fact that it's 18 degrees here....not man enough for a full out ride with no windshield!!!
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Reply #4 - 02/21/11 at 11:46:46
 
You should get the main sorted out before messing with the white spacer.  It will affect the results.
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Reply #5 - 02/21/11 at 13:05:41
 
It has the stock 145 main jet.  I have a stock muffler, but have drilled 4 - 5/8" holes in the end to add some more breath to it.

What would you recommend as a starting point on the main?  147.5 or a 150?
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Reply #6 - 02/21/11 at 13:52:07
 
By all means, try...... and answer the question at the bottom before hacking any farther,.....making sure you're going in the right direction.
If choking improves it, then less spacer may fix it.

I can only tell you that I had the same surging problem, only at a much lower RPM range, and the 1/2 spacer mod fixed it perfectly.

Serowbot wrote on 02/21/11 at 11:28:17:
I think the spacer is right place to look,...  don't know if it needs more or less though...
Maybe try both, and see which makes an improvement...

... does one notch on the enrichment valve help or hurt?...Huh...

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Reply #7 - 02/21/11 at 14:17:48
 
Fuzzy5150 wrote on 02/21/11 at 13:05:41:
It has the stock 145 main jet.  I have a stock muffler, but have drilled 4 - 5/8" holes in the end to add some more breath to it.

What would you recommend as a starting point on the main?  147.5 or a 150?

150
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Reply #8 - 02/21/11 at 14:38:02
 
Thanks!  I'll let you know how it rolls.....when it gets a shade north of 18 degrees out!   Cool
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Reply #9 - 02/24/11 at 08:57:49
 
verslagen1 wrote on 02/21/11 at 11:33:23:
How's the top end?

If that's ok, then shave a little more off the spacer.


I did the throttle test for the Main Jet and I have a feeling it's too big. At WOT, it accelerates respectably, BUT as soon as I let off, it stutters a bit maybe 25% of the time. when I'm going uphill, this is more apparent.
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Reply #10 - 02/24/11 at 09:39:21
 
I just realized,.. it's probably freezing cold where some of you are... Huh...
It's generally better to do jetting adjustments on days when the temps and humidity are more average for your location...
Jetting in extreme cold or wet is a waste of time, as it will be different when the temps reach normal...  Weather makes a big difference.  All bikes run less than optimum in unusual weather.
You guys might want to hold off for a while.... Wink...

There is no such thing as perfect jetting,... just a good average for your location and conditions....
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Reply #11 - 02/24/11 at 09:47:27
 
you got the diaphram spring in correct? - pretty easy to get off to one side
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Reply #12 - 02/24/11 at 10:13:47
 
Reelthing wrote on 02/24/11 at 09:47:27:
you got the diaphram spring in correct? - pretty easy to get off to one side


I made sure that was dead on. And I don't adjust anything if it's below 40 degrees.

Also, does the dimple on the metal plate go towards the white spacer, making contact with it, or away from the white spacer, towards the spring? It's the circular-shaped piece that holds the needle in place.
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Reply #13 - 02/24/11 at 10:20:59
 
yep dimple down

was that slide as clean as clean can be?
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Reply #14 - 02/24/11 at 10:26:12
 
Reelthing wrote on 02/24/11 at 10:20:59:
yep dimple down

was that slide as clean as clean can be?


Soaked in carb cleaner for a few hours and wiped down with microfiber. I guess it could be cleaner, but it wasn't dirty at all. The bowl on the other hand was filthy...then again, the carb was unopened for 10 years...
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