Donate!
Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register :: View Members
Pages: 1 2 3 4 
Send Topic Print
Bike wont start (Read 663 times)
Arnold
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

The dude abides...

Posts: 896
Westchester, NY
Gender: male
Re: Bike wont start
Reply #15 - 10/12/10 at 09:06:30
 
Where is the decompression relay located? Is there a way to test it? Jump it in the same manner?
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
verslagen1
YaBB Moderator
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Where there's a
will, I want to be
in it.

Posts: 28884
L.A. California
Gender: male
Re: Bike wont start
Reply #16 - 10/12/10 at 09:42:00
 
Arnold wrote on 10/12/10 at 09:06:30:
Where is the decompression relay located? Is there a way to test it? Jump it in the same manner?

Under tank, just follow the cable.
easy test...
push starter button
If it goes half a turn and stops, it's out of adjustment (too loose)
If it goes several turns before it starts, it may be out of adjustment (too tight)
Back to top
 
 
WWW   IP Logged
Arnold
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

The dude abides...

Posts: 896
Westchester, NY
Gender: male
Re: Bike wont start
Reply #17 - 10/12/10 at 10:22:36
 
Ahhh ok, didnt take the tank off. Pain to drain it but I'll have to do that if the solenoid happens to be good.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
dasch
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 1137

Re: Bike wont start
Reply #18 - 10/12/10 at 10:34:04
 
well... not that easy. Decomp solenoid has nothing to do with this procedure. Yet.

You need to check these, in sequence:

1. Battery FULL (please jump from a car to make sure)
2. Starter turns when starter gets 12V (straight + to starter pole)
3. Starter solenoid switches the starter ON when starter solenoid gets 12V
4. Decomp circuit sends 12V to starter solenoid approx. 0.3 seconds after START button is pushed.



Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Arnold
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

The dude abides...

Posts: 896
Westchester, NY
Gender: male
Re: Bike wont start
Reply #19 - 10/12/10 at 10:41:28
 
Yea, I think I got it, it's not to hard to test provided the battery is good, it should be, it's 3 months old and never gave me issue.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
mornhm - FSO
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

HMMM

Posts: 1105

Gender: male
Re: Bike wont start
Reply #20 - 10/12/10 at 11:23:22
 
Arnold wrote on 10/12/10 at 10:41:28:
Yea, I think I got it, it's not to hard to test provided the battery is good, it should be, it's 3 months old and never gave me issue.

Batteries can go dead anytime, anywhere. Do yourself a favor, and make sure (probably by jumping from a cage) that you have enough voltage and current to make everything work correctly.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Arnold
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

The dude abides...

Posts: 896
Westchester, NY
Gender: male
Re: Bike wont start
Reply #21 - 10/12/10 at 11:32:24
 
I know, I know Smiley I lost my freaking jumper cables during the move, they were always in the cage. Now I really have an excuse to buy new ones.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Arnold
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

The dude abides...

Posts: 896
Westchester, NY
Gender: male
Re: Bike wont start
Reply #22 - 10/12/10 at 14:28:18
 
Well, looks like I didnt need the jumper cables after all. Shorting the solenoid told me the battery and starters are good, bike started right up. I'll replace the solenoid and hopefully that'll be the end of this misadventure.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Oldfeller--FSO
Serious Thumper
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Hobby is now
"concentrated
neuropany"

Posts: 12671
Fayetteville, NC
Gender: male
Re: Bike wont start
Reply #23 - 10/12/10 at 14:41:25
 

You have solenoid on your brain right now -- test it before you spend $50 on a part you may not need.
Back to top
 
 

Former Savage Owner
  IP Logged
Boofer
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

Nearly too old.

Posts: 1760
N Ms
Gender: male
Re: Bike wont start
Reply #24 - 10/12/10 at 19:18:04
 
Arnold wrote on 10/12/10 at 10:22:36:
Ahhh ok, didnt take the tank off. Pain to drain it but I'll have to do that if the solenoid happens to be good.


Arnold, Your Clymers manual tells how to test the solenoid with OHM meter. As for taking the gas tank off, it ain't that big a deal. I just put a golf tee in the hose and take it off with gas in it. Be careful to not short out anything to power, as usual. When it's full, I just set my small mower gas can on a bucket or block and stick the fuel line in the top and put it on prime. And yes, my tank has to be wiggled to the left to clear the frame. Come on, boys. Let's man up here and work on these bikes. The deeper you go, the more you learn. Anybody can swap parts. It takes a little effort to actually fix anything. Good luck.  
Back to top
 
 

2001 Black, Spitfire windshield, Headlight upgrade, Sissy rack, Tool bag, Fork bag, Harley muffler, Memory foam seat, Crash bars. Hwy pegs, Raptor.
  IP Logged
dasch
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 1137

Re: Bike wont start
Reply #25 - 10/13/10 at 01:52:01
 
Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 10/12/10 at 14:41:25:

You have solenoid on your brain right now -- test it before you spend $50 on a part you may not need.



100% behind this. Remember - solenoid is controlled by decomp circuit. Might be one loose cable between the two.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Arnold
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

The dude abides...

Posts: 896
Westchester, NY
Gender: male
Re: Bike wont start
Reply #26 - 10/16/10 at 09:07:53
 
I got a hold of a working solenoid and it stills behaves the same, the bike will only start when I touch the large poles on the solenoid. When I press the start button and try to start normally all I get is 2 clicks from the decomp solenoid and one click from some kind of relay in the rear.

I guess that leaves me to test the decomp solenoid next. I took the gas tank off and I'll do what verslagen1 instructed and see how many turn it goes when I press the start button.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
verslagen1
YaBB Moderator
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Where there's a
will, I want to be
in it.

Posts: 28884
L.A. California
Gender: male
Re: Bike wont start
Reply #27 - 10/16/10 at 09:17:58
 
1st click is the decomp
why do have 2 clicks?  idk should be 1
click to rear is starter relay, so far so good
but no turn over, no good.
will turn over if jump to starter, good.

problem is with cable between relay and starter or relay and battery.

connect volt meter to starter post and see what volts you get when you push button.
Back to top
 
 
WWW   IP Logged
Arnold
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

The dude abides...

Posts: 896
Westchester, NY
Gender: male
Re: Bike wont start
Reply #28 - 10/16/10 at 09:43:24
 
Well the decomp solenoid clicks once to engage the cable then half a second later clicks again to release it. The start solenoid I have on right now is brand new.

I think now that I looked at it that the decomp solenoid is working since it engages the cable.

Now it leaves either cabling in between parts or some relay box somewhere?

On my way to get a voltmeter now.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
dasch
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 1137

Re: Bike wont start
Reply #29 - 10/16/10 at 09:55:11
 
first click engages decomp. second click dissengage decomp. in between should be a third "click" to engage starter relay.

There is no other relays. Decomp control circuit controls the starter relay directly via the Yellow/Black wire. It runs +12 down Y/b to engage starter solenoid. Check (clean and tighten) both ends of Y/B wire for possible loose connection first.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Pages: 1 2 3 4 
Send Topic Print


« Home

 
« Home
SuzukiSavage.com
09/24/24 at 05:32:31



General CategoryRubber Side Down! › Bike wont start


SuzukiSavage.com » Powered by YaBB 2.2!
YaBB © 2000-2007. All Rights Reserved.