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Re: backfiring...Suppositions-Questions
Reply #15 - 10/11/10 at 08:38:41
 
I get the occasional backfire when disengaging the clutch and coasting up to a stoplight. This is most often a single bang, not a gumble pop, pop, pop. This occurs mostly afterI have downshifted or run a gear up toward the shift point and let off the throttle or clutch (maneuvering in traffic).

A friend, who works on engines, has told me that this can damage my engine. Supposition: the exhaust valve may be slightly open and burn because of the excess fuel ignition in the hot pipe. True or false or maybe?

From what I have read on this forum, CCW makes the engine richer. True or false ?... no maybe. Note: limited carb experience.  Supposition: the screw being turned MAY meter an air passage. If so, backing it out would permit more air and thus a leaner burn. Second Supposition: the screw being backed out is a fuel flow needle valve, thus backing it out would permit more fuel and a richer burn. Which is it?

If I am enjoying two or three backfires in a 20-minute commute to work, should I rush straightaway to get help resetting the carb, or should I consider resetting it when I get a roundtuit?
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Re: backfiring...not what you'd think.
Reply #16 - 10/11/10 at 08:46:06
 
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We just call it the air screw ....

It actually meters a small fuel passage, CCW or out means more fuel going into the low range mix.

If you have go to 3 turns or more to get your bike to run right, then change out your pilot jet to the next bigger jet size -- keep on turning it out past 3 turns and it will likely vibrate free and fall out on the street and leave you with an open hole.

(no retaining spring pressure out that far to keep it from moving on out you)


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Didja know that the addition of 10% ethyl alcohol in regular fuel means any air born H2O type moisture gets chemically assimilated into the fuel (happens automatically and requires no expensive additives such as seafool .... oops, I meant Seafoam).  

And all commercial fuel contains chemicals to make sure moisture does no harm to the fuel should it actually get in there in any appreciable amount (lawsuits cost too much NOT to do this no matter how cheap the gas).
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Reply #17 - 10/11/10 at 08:54:57
 
Roger that. Turn out ... richer mixture. From my limited experience, I would probably find manufacturer specs ... turn in all the way ... turn out to manufacturer specs and then maybe a quarter turn out from there. Right?

Now, regarding the urgency of all this. I much prefer riding the bike than screwing with it (pun intended). I am getting more backfiring now that I use 87 fuel ... maybe two or three in a 20 minute ride. Should I restrict my riding until I get this at least mitigated (thumper will always clear her throat), or is this one of those round tuit things?
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Re: backfiring...not what you'd think.
Reply #18 - 10/11/10 at 09:01:55
 
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check your header bolts, and muff clamp
increase your idle speed and readjust idle mixture.
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Re: backfiring...not what you'd think.
Reply #19 - 10/11/10 at 09:07:38
 

'round to it type thang, I suspect.


As far as "burning your valves" because of backfiring --

let's see, mmmm  Let's think about it a bit.

Exhaust gas is naturally glowing burning hot already and exhaust valves normally glow dull red in normal use.  

A common EPA trick from the '80 and so on is to dump fresh air into the exhaust manifold just down from the valves to help combust the excessively high hydrocarbon content of unmodified exhaust gases.  

If something was gonna "burn a valve" that would do her, don't 'cha think?  It doesn't ....



Backfiring and popping

A pulse of hot hydrocarbon rich stuff winds down the header pipe and hits the muffler chambers, finds some free O2 hanging around down there and has a party.  What does that have to do with the situation way upstream at the valves?

If you want to burn a valve, let your exhaust valve clearance get way too tight so the exhaust valves don't close all the way -- that'll do her !!
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Re: backfiring...not what you'd think.
Reply #20 - 10/11/10 at 09:20:11
 
OK. Stupid question #7: If the backfiring is being caused by excess fuel firing in the pipe .... why would I want to make the low speed mixture richer, thus adding more fuel to the fire?

I get the head bolt response and the muff clamp, which could be adding that air portion of that explosion.

The guy with whom I had the conversation about backfiring indicated that he once actually holed his piston, due to backfiring. Must have been a hell of a bang. Of course, this guy put a two-stroke outboard engine on a Schwinn bicycle and proceeded to do 70 mph with it.

Ooops ... didn't mean head bolts ... Exhaust header is assumed.
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