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Master Cylinder Sight Window
09/17/10 at 07:41:46
 
This is my first post, please forgive any ...newness? haha. I have an 86 Savage, and my master cylinder sight window is crystalized and leaking badly. I have tried a cursory fix by applying clear silicone to outside but either I didn't cure long enough or brake fluid was just too much for it.
Has anyone encountered this situation? and if so, your fix? I noticed the parts breakdown shows a 'protector' that looks like it might be the clip on the inside. Can it be replaced? Replacing the master cylinder is not an option at this time.
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Reply #1 - 09/17/10 at 07:51:11
 
Brake fluid is notoriously destructive to things. It eats paint & I cant imagine silicone ever holding it. Im gonna say youll need a new reservoir to solve this IF you want to keep that window. If youre willing to lose the window, which I dont suggest, then Id say empty the res, clean the res around the window, silicone an Oring on it & clamp a piece of metal to that Oring. Man, talk about look like crap,, but it should Work. Id only comsider that answer IF I was suck in the middleof nowhere & had to do that to get home.
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Reply #2 - 09/17/10 at 08:15:32
 
Here's a place that makes a repair kit for $12.50:
http://www.newrivercyclesalvage.com/sight%20glass.html

I'd try Gorilla Glue and let it cure a long time...   Undecided

I may have an old master cylinder if you get to the point of replacement...
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Reply #3 - 09/18/10 at 17:36:29
 
That's a nice find Babyhog. I rebuilt mine and was wondering if I'd wasted my time because the sight window looks questionable. I'm going to order one now before I need it.
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Reply #4 - 09/18/10 at 19:00:26
 
Thanks Babyhog...
I emailed about  the kit and will probably be ordering one soon..can only stand not riding for so long. Here in S Texas we can ride pretty much year round, and I'm glad of it!
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Reply #5 - 09/19/10 at 01:46:16
 

A simple cheapskate thought ....

If your glass is foggy but is still holding the fluid in, simply take the top off once a year to check the fluid level and don't fix the glass ever.

Spending time and money to fix what isn't necessary -- isn't necessary.

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If it does leak, take the master cylinder off the bike, clean it well with brake parts cleaner and pour the inside of sight glass recess slam full of two part slow setting clear epoxy all the way out to the aluminum and let it set up well for 48 hours.  

Once again, you now have a fogged sight glass that doesn't leak (at a total cost maybe $2 in epoxy) so now you take the top off once year to check it.      Wink     Big deal.

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The sight glass function is useless anyway -- proper set up after adding new pads is to fill the sucker up to the top so you can get maximum pad "out" wear movement backed up with reserve fluid in the reservoir.   This fill point is up over the sight glass anyway.

And to check it, you generally take the top off anyway -- who is gonna trust the sight glass since it sees a completely different picture according to how the bike is on the side stand OR how the handle bars are tilted.

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Stop the leak, fill it up, and take the lid off once a year to check the fluid level.

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Reply #6 - 09/19/10 at 04:53:52
 
Site glass ???

Must be a Savage thing.

Or maybe I'll go look again Shocked
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Reply #7 - 09/19/10 at 08:54:28
 
Yes, I take the top off to check level anyway, but still try to put things back into their 'original' condition if possible. I also thought maybe an aluminum plug might do the trick too. As long as it doesn't leak, I'm a happy thumper...

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Reply #8 - 09/19/10 at 09:25:38
 
It's incredible and great that a repair kit exists at all.  I would miss the siteglass because it's convenient - and opening the reservoir lets in humidity.

Fill to top of the glass?  oops I learned something again dammit.  That top line mark is a little obtuse.
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Reply #9 - 09/19/10 at 09:38:54
 
and opening the reservoir lets in humidity.

Its vented anyway...
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Reply #10 - 09/19/10 at 10:09:21
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/17/10 at 07:51:11:
If you're willing to lose the window, which I don't suggest, then Id say empty the res, clean the res around the window, silicone an O-ring on it & clamp a piece of metal to that O-ring. Man, talk about look like crap, but it should Work. I'd only consider that answer IF I was suck in the middle of nowhere & had to do that to get home.

Hmmm... that does sound like a plan.  Only I'd use a copper washer for the seal on the inside.  The head of the bolt also on the inside.  Then washer on the outside is just to protect the surface and support.  Maybe a chrome acorn nut if you intend to leave it.
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Reply #11 - 09/19/10 at 10:13:10
 
much nicer approach..
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Reply #12 - 09/19/10 at 10:16:35
 
You don't have to open it they don't use in fluid.
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Reply #13 - 09/19/10 at 10:51:55
 

Let us form us a wild-assed guess --  

Klotz must make them some super special red tinted zero wear  -- expanding --  brake fluid ....


Grin   Grin   Grin          (all brake systems transfer fluid from master to slave cylinder as the pads move in due to simple wear)


Remember, the volume displaced by the forward moving puck down at the bottom is almost equal to half of the entire reservoir up top, so expect to see some fluid level change up top as your pads wear out.   This is also why you cheat and fill the durn thing up all the way when putting in new pads, that way you don't have to mess with it quite as much.


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Justin is correct, your master cylinder reservoir is always vented to the humid outside air and it does get moisture contaminated (cloudy looking) over about 2-3 years and should be changed periodically in any case.    

Since this is similar to the wear out life of a pair of front brake pads it tends to remind you to do the pump out / change out of the fluid at the same time you are installing a new set of pads.
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Reply #14 - 09/19/10 at 10:52:59
 
Also, if your brake fluid is discolored at all... I'd replace it.

It's pretty simple as long as you still have fluid in it.

Get a jar and a rubber hose, put the rubber hose on the bleeder.  
open the bleeder and let the brake fluid drain into the jar.
take off the master cylinder cap and just before it starts sucking air, fill it back up.

Takes about a half a pint.  close the bleeder and check for sponginess, bleed if it is.
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