jspace I think you can see that people here use rotella oil because its cheap,People here also have a lot of cam chain problems.Stick with a motorcycle oil,not a diesel oil.

Bill,

Bill here is good for a humorous one liner that hits your funny bone pretty good, but he is a strongly partisan oil warrior who will spread some disinformation out to a newbie just to get a rise out of the rest of us.

The simple truth is, avoid energy star car oils as they can cause your clutch to slip

Stay with a last number of 40w or greater.   First numbers vary from 10 when you go synthetic because synthetics don't get thick when they are cold.  This number helps with winter cold starts and is pretty much meaningless in summer as you engine oil gets hot within about 3 minutes after you start riding (and the second number takes over).

Motorcycle JASO rated oils are preferred but not necessary

Synthetic oils in a stock Savage motor are not necessary

Synthetic oils in a high performance Savage motor may be preferred for heat bullet proofness, but it is not strictly necessary if oil changes are done relatively "frequently".    

For example, before Rotella Syn 5w40 oil was invented the standard white jug dino Rotella T 15w40 oil was the preferred performance bike oil on a lot of the crotch rocket boards (for a lot of years too).   Ditto for the Gold Wing boards, Rotella T was touted by the Wing boys as "best oil/at best price too"  and they were instrumental in getting Shell to test it for JASO and for Shell to pay to get it rated so on the jug.  

(kudos to them Honda GoldWing boys for being all stubborn & persistent)


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Parisan information

(firing a 338 Laupa Magnum sniper rifle with a 170 grain pure truth match grade information at Bill's fuzzy fraudulent statements)


Rotella T and T-6 synthetic ARE motorcycle oils that carry BOTH of the JASO motorcycle ratings right on the jug.   For Bill to allude otherwise is disinformation and he knows it .....

Yep, your cam chain is gonna stretch some and only ZDDP has shown to have any preventive effect on that (Society of Automotive Engineers rates ZDDP as the "primary and best oil additive ever found to stop galling and premature wear due to oil film failure").  

Rotella products have as much as can be put in oil by today's standards of the very much Savage needed ZDDP additive.


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(lobbing a bullshit grenade back at Bill, jest to make him keep his head down)

Bill's favorite stuff by his own admission is made from virgin olive oil with English vein drippings in it -- so unless you are a budding vampire who wants to pay double/triple $$ per quart for English flavored Italian salad dressing I'd not pay a lot of attention to Bill's oil recommendations.


       

I knew it !!
Thats why my cam chain has been floppin around ever since the other day when I changed to RT !!

bill67 wrote on 08/14/10 at 05:41:17:

The Rotella advantage cheap,Disadvantage wasn't made for motorcycles.

(bill's really starting to sweat now -- his salad dressing in going on Verslagen's Savage test bed soon and we will all soon have empirical numberical knowledge if it works worth a durn or not)



   ooops, there goes the magical fairy dust ....



                             

Charon,

You do know if Verslagen's data sez so, we are gonna have to bow down and kiss Bill's little pinky finger don't you?


It ain't a done deal until the data is all tabulated and the delta's generated, but we do have the T-6 baseline now -- completed.


       OOOOOOOOoooooooh, a real sick making thought, no?  


          (that's the finger he picks his nose with  ----  yuck!)



All it would really indicate is the relative effectiveness of the two oils in question ..... Rotella T-6 and Klotz.



But I don't think Bill would let us forget it, either   -----  



   ever

charon, you might not be able to witness any improvement with seafoam.
your bikes are probably too well maintained.

go find yourself a neglected bike.  fill the carb up over nite, put a little in the crankcase.  drain all the fluids the next day fill with fresh oil and gas for a real test.

but i know i've had an issue with a sticky slide once and a shot of seafoam fixed it.

as far as the bullet proof m/c oil, klotz ain't doing it for me.  but it could be those nooks and crannies held enough rotsyn to contaminate the 1st weeks running.

You gonna do a full second oil change to make sure it's all Klotz in there so as to remove all possible wiggle room?  

Save the "just barely used" stuff you drain out and put it back in the bottles -- you can still pollinate your common purple flower pixies with it you know.

(it's magic after all)

Not that Bill won't still wiggle for all he's worth anyway -- kissing a worm in the butt with a sharp hook will have nothing on 'ol Bill once that final data hook heaves itself into sight.


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Still, proof is proof and truth is truth --- if the pink stuff is better we would still say so and take our lickin' like men.


Bill however is already a squealin' some (got him premonitions he does) .....


..... and he ain't even been stuck in the ass on that nasty big old sharp data hook yet ....