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Reply #30 - 01/05/10 at 09:27:17

I have issues no one else has ???? Anyway, This belt noise never occured while I rode the bike previous to having the cam chain of your construction installed. My mechanic pointed it out to me. What changed while he had the bike, I do not know. I do know that it had nothing to do with the cam chain tensioner installation. Again if I am wrong I will appreciate knowing it....Dan

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Reply #31 - 01/05/10 at 09:37:43

I have been curious - perhaps "dubious" would be a better word - about the ninety-degree twist method of checking belt tightness. Last time I checked on mine I found that the difference in tightness between using the said-to-be-worthless belt gauge supplied by Suzuki and the ninety-degree-twist method was less than one turn on the belt adjusting screws. The Suzuki spring gauge is at least repeatable. I am sure we are all possessed of different degrees of strength in whichever hand we choose to use in the twist method, which will result in different tightnesses of the belt. If I didn't agree with Suzuki's gauge, I would consider using instead of the middle mark on it, one of the other marks. Or, having adjusted the belt to "correct" I would insert the gauge and make another mark on it for repeatability.

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Reply #32 - 01/05/10 at 09:53:25

Ebikerman wrote on 01/05/10 at 09:27:17:

I have issues no one else has ???? Anyway, This belt noise never occured while I rode the bike previous to having the cam chain of your construction installed. My mechanic pointed it out to me. What changed while he had the bike, I do not know. I do know that it had nothing to do with the cam chain tensioner installation. Again if I am wrong I will appreciate knowing it....Dan

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Ebikerman Full Member Offline Jesus is #1 Posts: 100 Fitzgerald, GA Gender:	Re: On Quick Deceleration Tire or Belt Barks Reply #33 - 01/05/10 at 10:06:01 Not perkier that I can tell...Dan
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Ebikerman Full Member Offline Jesus is #1 Posts: 100 Fitzgerald, GA Gender:	Re: On Quick Deceleration Tire or Belt Barks Reply #34 - 01/05/10 at 10:07:57 CHARON, We agree on the use of the Suzuki tensioner....Dan
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: On Quick Deceleration Tire or Belt Barks Reply #35 - 01/05/10 at 10:44:14 Ebikerman wrote on 01/05/10 at 10:07:57: CHARON, We agree on the use of the Suzuki tensioner....Dan Again, Charon offers a logical approach. I am forced to reconsider.
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Re: On Quick Deceleration Tire or Belt Barks
Reply #36 - 01/05/10 at 11:30:45

The PO lost the tool kit so I had to learn the 90° twist method.
Luckily, it was correctly tensioned when I got it so learning the correct twist was easy.
Comments made over the years have been varied from "piece of crap" to good tool I surmise from either from a build up of mfg tolerances to someone with 2 left thumbs.

I suspect that the best method for measuring tension is the same method used for chains, hold the belt up, then hold it down, should be x" in between.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: On Quick Deceleration Tire or Belt Barks Reply #37 - 01/05/10 at 11:46:18 & remember to put it in 1st & roll it back to get all the slack in the bottom of the belt.
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Ebikerman Full Member Offline Jesus is #1 Posts: 100 Fitzgerald, GA Gender:	Re: On Quick Deceleration Tire or Belt Barks Reply #38 - 01/05/10 at 11:47:59 Verslagen 1, Who can supply the correct value for "X"?... Dan
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Re: On Quick Deceleration Tire or Belt Barks
Reply #39 - 01/05/10 at 13:04:38

verslagen1 wrote on 01/05/10 at 11:30:45:

The PO lost the tool kit so I had to learn the 90° twist method.
Luckily, it was correctly tensioned when I got it so learning the correct twist was easy.
Comments made over the years have been varied from "piece of crap" to good tool I surmise from either from a build up of mfg tolerances to someone with 2 left thumbs.

I suspect that the best method for measuring tension is the same method used for chains, hold the belt up, then hold it down, should be x" in between.

And I'm guessing that you could best obtain the value for X" by using the tensioning tool to get it right, measure X, and use X as a quick check based on those findings.

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Charon Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 1811 Harvard, NE Gender:	Re: On Quick Deceleration Tire or Belt Barks Reply #40 - 01/06/10 at 06:24:13 Verslagen, how do you get the little "degree" symbol to appear?
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: On Quick Deceleration Tire or Belt Barks Reply #41 - 01/06/10 at 07:15:50 Character codes can be looked up in "character map" To type those special characters press and hold the left "alt" key and type in the code. For "°", type in 0176.
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Re: On Quick Deceleration Tire or Belt Barks
Reply #42 - 01/06/10 at 08:54:34

verslagen1 wrote on 01/06/10 at 07:15:50:

Character codes can be looked up in "character map"

To type those special characters press and hold the left "alt" key and type in the code. For "°", type in 0176.

I never knew that, thanks Versy!!

You can also use the "sup" button (superscript) and use a small letter "o" between the brackets. 90^o

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Re: On Quick Deceleration Tire or Belt Barks
Reply #43 - 01/06/10 at 21:38:40

Ebikerman wrote on 01/05/10 at 09:10:38:

....I used the tensioner that came in the tool kit. I know many of you do not like it. However it should give repeatable readings.....

For those who like to use the belt gauge (you know who you are), don't set the belt any tighter than this:

Actually, the gauge should be positioned such that its longitudinal axis is perpendicular to the belt. Mine is set a little off of the perpendicular in the above photo.

Currently, the belt on my Savage (see signature) is a tad too tight (I can rotate the belt about 85 degrees). If the gauge in the picture were set perfectly at the perpendicular, it would indicate a bit tighter than it does in the photo. I figure my slightly over-tight belt cancels out the slight mispositioning of the tension gauge, soooo.....

Bottom line? Don't use the gauge, set your belt tension via the twist method. If you insist on using the gauge, set the belt tension no tighter than what you see on the above photo.

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Digger Serious Thumper 2005 No Login Offline Ya gotta be tough to ride singles! Posts: 1604 Colorado Springs, CO Gender:	Re: On Quick Deceleration Tire or Belt Barks Reply #44 - 01/06/10 at 21:41:42 Ebikerman wrote on 01/05/10 at 09:15:13: Digger, Where did you get that cool lift? I want one. It is not so bulky as some. Please direct me to where I can purchase one. About what does it cost too? Thanks, Dan E, This tells all: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1219028509/0 IHTH!
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