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RocksimusMaximus Junior Member 2005 No Login Offline Posts: 51	Re: 24 hours later... Help? Reply #45 - 09/25/09 at 15:23:19 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/25/09 at 10:49:20: Does it sound like its turning over faster that it used to? When I hook it up to the car battery? Or just in general? Well... no matter. The answer is no on both counts.
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Reply #46 - 09/25/09 at 15:28:39

False Illusion wrote on 09/25/09 at 10:55:25:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/25/09 at 08:12:31:

I cant wait to find out what this booger is.

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Rock...Take Verslagen up on his offer and document the experience with pix and even video...youtube it so we can all get a glimpse of this anomaly...

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Oh I'm definitely taking him up on his offer.

But I'm off work for the next couple days so I'm going back and forth between working on my car (93 Mustang with a MILLION problems), just in case the bike is down for an extended period of time, and trying to piece together the single cylinder Rubik's cube I seem to have created.

Went to Auto Zone to try to find a compression gauge... and they didn't have one that would fit the bike... only for larger plugs. So nuts to that idea. Might run up there and have them test the ignition coil... maybe its just too weak of a spark?

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FreeSpirit Serious Thumper Offline Joy is my Compass ! Posts: 3823 North Georgia Gender:	Re: 24 hours later... Help? Reply #47 - 09/25/09 at 15:37:17 For some reason I am overly curious about this problem. Hope you get it fixed tomorrow or at least find the cause! Also hope you get the car or MC one fixed for transportation. Good Luck on both! (and really I cant wait to see what the problem was.I bet you too,huh
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Reply #48 - 09/26/09 at 09:27:39

RocksimusMaximus wrote on 09/25/09 at 15:23:19:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/25/09 at 10:49:20:

Does it sound like its turning over faster that it used to?

When I hook it up to the car battery? Or just in general? Well... no matter. The answer is no on both counts.

Good. IF its faster than normal, theres a drop in compression.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28642 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: 24 hours later... Help? Reply #49 - 09/26/09 at 10:07:25 Compression drop can be from cranking for so long without starting ... The gas not burning in the cylinder washes the oil off the cylinder wall and the rings no longer seal... then no compression, and no gas is drawn, and then... no startsy, no go...
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: 24 hours later... Help? Reply #50 - 09/26/09 at 10:40:03 I yhadnt made the leap to gas washing oil & losing so much compression & vacuum it wouldnt suck the air / fuel mix & wouldnt fire, but even if that was the case, the WD40 should have handled it.
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Reply #51 - 09/26/09 at 10:53:56

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/26/09 at 10:40:03:

I yhadnt made the leap to gas washing oil & losing so much compression & vacuum it wouldnt suck the air / fuel mix & wouldnt fire, but even if that was the case, the WD40 should have handled it.

It would need the compression to suck the WD-40 down in the cylinder from the vacuum port...
When it's gone like that,.. you have to squirt it right down the spark plug hole...

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: 24 hours later... Help? Reply #52 - 09/26/09 at 20:51:45 If thats the case, the Id pull the air inlet tube( Yea,,, agains, sorreee) & put my hand across the carb intake & see how hard its sucking. ( One things sure, "SOMEthin is sucking,,)
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Reply #53 - 09/27/09 at 02:37:36

You've tried all the obvious, now the exhaust valves. At 22k the valves will have bedded up into there seats reducing the clearance on your tappets. The engine will run fine for a while, until running hard and hot for a period of time the valve stems will gradually expand lengthwise and close off the remainder of your clearance, which won't allow the valves to close cutting out the engine.. When this happens the hot gasses burn off the carbon round the valve seating reducing your compression which wont allow the engine to start, though it still has what would seem a fair compression,, Anyway, after that spiel, since you have the tank off set your exhaust to tappets to 5 thou. and give her a go,,cheers and hope for a bang ,,kenny

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Reply #55 - 09/27/09 at 11:56:40

bad news
1st inspection I found something I've never seen before. the decomp lever was stuck up. Huh

So we took off the front valve cover to see what's up with that. nothing, so I used a wrench and returned it the regular position.
while we were there, I put it in gear and rotated the engine as he had the plug out already. Hmmm, valves don't move. Huh

next we took off the clutch cover... uh oh Shocked

plunger had fallen out. in a brief serch we found the cam gear lock plate. Shocked

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Reply #8 - 09/20/09 at 19:36:39 Alert Board Moderator about this Post! Quote Modify
at 18 K,, what was the measured extension on the tensioner?
The cam chain doesnt break, the tensioner allows it to get slack in it, tensioner comes apart & drops junk in gears, so,, if it was around 18 mm,, you might want to go look again,
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Youve got gas & spark, all you arent certain of is air. You could pop the valve cover off & make sure the valves are still opening & closing.

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You can put it on TDC & see if youve got slack in the lifters on the exhaust, easiest valves to get to..That would at least prove the cam is still timed & spinning.

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Reply #57 - 09/27/09 at 15:42:52

What? you trying to say "I told you so" ?
life sucks... bing bang blow.

He couldn't make the logical leap.
the way everyone describes the cam chain letting go (including myself)
the engine should rip itself from the frame, screams FTW and become a speed bump.
well, thats the worst case, sometimes it just quits and wispers 'help me'.

He might be lucky.
We found the cam gear screws at the bottom though.

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Re: 24 hours later... Help?
Reply #59 - 09/28/09 at 11:25:56

read the 1st post...

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1191167029

as a preventive fix I offer...

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1180206459

Rocky's problem happens every year. Bikes will come up on a certain mileage and the owner has a choice, fix it or sell it. Some nube will pick it up with no idea of what's about to happen. There's no voice box on the bike to tell you 'danger will robinson danger' and if you're the 1st this year to get the problem or you think 'naw can't happen to me' think again.

The cam chain gremlin can land on you any time after 8,000 (our worst case) or you can push the envelope pass 30,000 miles. If you never look at it, you will never know. Until then, be vary aware of any strange knocking down below.

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