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odvelasc

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Flippin' bike wont start
04/16/09 at 16:03:29

So I have the vm carb. A 15 pilot jet, and the needle jet bled with a number 40 drill bit. Everything is in good, nothing is missing and the bike still wont start. There is fuel in the float etc... Bahhhh. I am going crazy. I tried the choke and some throttle and nothing. I get the turn over but no start. The neutral light is on full blast so I know the battery is good. It is two years old and the water is slightly overfilled. I drained the oil and changed the filter last weekend because I flooded the bike. Thinking of going back to stock carb. Any thoughts???

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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Online PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6048 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Flippin' bike wont start Reply #1 - 04/16/09 at 16:06:30 check the tech section on how to read your (spark) plug... tell us what you find...
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odvelasc

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Re: Flippin' bike wont start
Reply #2 - 04/16/09 at 17:09:12

I dont get a blue spark when I pull out the plug and try to start the bike. Does that mean batter is dead? It holds a charge and the neutral light comes on. I tried to start the bike a few times and no go. had it tested at part source and it read 0 amps. Perhaps from trying to start it too manyt times.anyways the bike died about two weeks ago in the middle of a ride because it could not hold idle. Has not started since.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Flippin' bike wont start Reply #3 - 04/16/09 at 17:54:09 Can you put a charger on the battery? Or, take it to an auto parts store to be tested? Are you grounding the plug to the cylinder to check the spark? W/O a ground, no sparkeee.
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odvelasc Ex Member	Re: Flippin' bike wont start Reply #4 - 04/16/09 at 18:12:43 yeah it was tested at an autoparts and no amps were read, but prolly because battery was almost dead from trying to start too many time. Umm oh yeah the ground lol. Oh the batter did read 12.3 volts at the partsource but no amps. hmm.... Well, the battery charged at 2amps from about 25% to 100% in just under 2 hours
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marshall13 Senior Member Offline the first step is to admit your ignorance Posts: 301 Fort Lauderdale FL Gender:	Re: Flippin' bike wont start Reply #5 - 04/16/09 at 19:04:27 FULLY charge your battery, then see if you have spark... cdi's that get their juice from a batt are picky about battery voltage.... they shoulda put an old school dirtbike self exciter in this.... 2 relays, a timer, the starter, and the ignition is a big load for those little bike batteries....
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Flippin' bike wont start Reply #6 - 04/17/09 at 05:45:41 Self exciter? You mean like a lawnmower>? * Note to you Funny Guys, Self Exciter here, in this context, is about engine ignition, okay???
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Re: Flippin' bike wont start
Reply #7 - 04/17/09 at 12:17:09

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/17/09 at 05:45:41:

Self exciter? You mean like a lawnmower>?

* Note to you Funny Guys, Self Exciter here, in this context, is about engine ignition, okay???

well, a mower is technically a magneto, while the old no batt required to run solid state(no points) bikes were self exciting cdi setups.... BIG pickup coil in case, permanent magnet in alt rotor, they produced their own ignition base voltage.... had an old suzi ts185 that if you kicked it, and the cdi output wasnt grounded, you had spark.... conversion is kind of out of the question though, the pickup coils were huge compared to the one in the savage(imagine a big fat thumb, that's about the size of my ts's pickup)..... batt excited allows much smaller coils(only need to produce enough voltage/current to switch a transistor, rather than charge the caps and saturate the coil)... on a side note, one should be able to use one of those tiny dirtbike sits-on-top-of-the-plug coils to replace the stocker(just needs to be a cdi coil)... great for those pare every excess ounce off bobber conversions....

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odvelasc Ex Member	Re: Flippin' bike wont start Reply #8 - 04/17/09 at 13:32:02 battery is still good. It was tested at 95% today. So I will charge it a few hours tonight and try it again tomorrow. Tonight is date night with the lady so no working on the bike.
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Re: Flippin' bike wont start
Reply #9 - 04/17/09 at 14:29:55

also, trying to diagnose a no start condition by reading the plug is like reading last months newspaper.... doesnt tell much about current events.... plug reading only works in hot engines run under load... if you've never gotten it running with the VM, then the carb might be at fault... but, the no spark condition says ignition.... pickup, cdi box, coil, plug wire, plug, kill switch, kickstand switch.... recheck all harness connectors, grounds etc.... kinda sounds like you missed a connector or a ground when you buttoned it back up.....

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odvelasc Ex Member	Re: Flippin' bike wont start Reply #10 - 04/17/09 at 17:33:54 yeah even with the kill switch flipped to off thr bike turns over.
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odvelasc Ex Member	Re: Flippin' bike wont start Reply #11 - 04/18/09 at 18:23:47 I am taking her in to a shop next week when they are not soo backed up. I have done everything i can. I will add a fresh tank of gas since its near reserve on the tank it had over the winter. If that no workee than off to a motorcycle shop. Thanks to all for your advice over the weeks. I just dont have time to do the work.
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