SuzukiSavage.com - Kawi 454 wheels

BurnPgh Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1732	Kawi 454 wheels 09/21/08 at 21:35:45 I noticed today, going through reviews cuz I'm lame, that the 454 ltd has the same wheel size as the savage and is belt drive. Anyone thought of the possibility of cast wheels while retaining the belt? Im intrigued.
Back to top	IP Logged

Jay Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1445 Fort Worth, Texas Gender:	Re: Kawi 454 wheels Reply #1 - 09/21/08 at 22:17:53 Me too! I'd love to put cast on. I know, I know. Purists will deride me for wanting to get away from the spokes. It's not that I don't love the look, it's just that I like the tire change and flat fixing aspect of cast over spoked.
Back to top	You're invisible and naked. Ride safe, Jay IP Logged

verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Kawi 454 wheels Reply #2 - 09/21/08 at 22:20:49 rear axle is the same diameter 17mm front axle is the same diameter 15mm http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1205292181
Back to top	Versey's Place Tech Section Index IP Logged

SV og LS

Full Member

Offline

Kawasaki ZZR 1200

Posts: 236

Re: Kawi 454 wheels
Reply #3 - 09/21/08 at 23:52:19

If the bolt pattern is the same, I don't know why a cast wheel from chain driven bike couldn't be used. Chain driven Savages use the same bolt pattern rear sprockets from other Suzukis so original rear pulley should fit into same bolt pattern cast wheels. Are you sure LTD454 has the same belt profile, length and pulley so you could use the original belt?

Back to top

IP Logged

BurnPgh

Serious Thumper

Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 1732

Re: Kawi 454 wheels
Reply #4 - 09/22/08 at 11:45:32

Im pretty certain using the original belt is out of the question. Im wondering if the rear pulley from the savage could be adapted to fit the 454 wheel. If so I think the original belt could be used. The kawi belt looks narrower and I think is shorter. Im just real interested in cast wheels for the repair/replacement aspect but Id like not to convert to chain if possible. Ive gotten spoiled not having to do anything to the belt.

Back to top

IP Logged

verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Kawi 454 wheels Reply #5 - 09/22/08 at 12:12:39 I took a quick look at the kawa454 forum (online manual) It looks like the savage pulley may be adapted to the kawa wheel. would take one to know.
Back to top	Versey's Place Tech Section Index IP Logged

BurnPgh Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1732	Re: Kawi 454 wheels Reply #6 - 09/22/08 at 13:07:47 oh boy oh boy oh boy
Back to top	IP Logged

verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Kawi 454 wheels Reply #7 - 09/22/08 at 13:52:05 I'm guessin' that either that the bolt pattern for the savage pulley can either match up in 2 or more holes or new holes can be drilled in the hub to match the pulley. But if'n all you want is 'mag' wheels, the works been done. GS450, slight mod to the front disk and I think the rear is a close match.
Back to top	Versey's Place Tech Section Index IP Logged

rigidchop Serious Thumper Offline don't feed the drama llama Posts: 1105 ravenswood wv Gender:	Re: Kawi 454 wheels Reply #8 - 09/22/08 at 15:55:17 might just check a 454 forum and see if they have done any chain conversions. and compare part #'s.
Back to top	87 VM ED L IP Logged

BurnPgh Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1732	Re: Kawi 454 wheels Reply #9 - 09/22/08 at 21:40:03 the gs450 wheels are ugly as sin. Im going to look into it more. If it's a massive PITA to work the 454 wheels then I'll go the gs450 route. For the gs450 wheels though isnt it necessary to convert to chain? Id really like to retain the belt if I can.
Back to top	IP Logged

Jay Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1445 Fort Worth, Texas Gender:	Re: Kawi 454 wheels Reply #10 - 09/22/08 at 21:59:17 Gonna watch this thread closely. I wouldn't mind the Kawa wheels one bit, if it can be done. Too bad I don't have the $$$ to splurge, or I'd just go for it. Sadly I can't pioneer this one. I too, don't want to convert to chain.
Back to top	You're invisible and naked. Ride safe, Jay IP Logged

verslagen1

YaBB Moderator
ModSquad

Offline

Where there's a
will, I want to be
in it.

Posts: 28884
L.A. California
Gender: male

Re: Kawi 454 wheels
Reply #11 - 09/22/08 at 22:57:17

kawa belt
14mm pitch
40mm wide
128 teeth
made by gates

How does this belt compare with ours?

In taking a second look, I don't think it will be easy to adapt our pulley to their hub. Ours has a 8 spoke pattern, theirs is 6 tabs. Ours web is on the inside whereas theirs is in the middle. Haven't a clue whether it'll match up or not. A precision adapter plate would need to be made.

Back to top

Versey's Place
Tech Section Index

IP Logged

SV og LS

Full Member

Offline

Kawasaki ZZR 1200

Posts: 236

Re: Kawi 454 wheels
Reply #12 - 09/23/08 at 00:43:42

BurnPgh wrote on 09/22/08 at 21:40:03:

the gs450 wheels are ugly as sin. Im going to look into it more. If it's a massive PITA to work the 454 wheels then I'll go the gs450 route. For the gs450 wheels though isnt it necessary to convert to chain? Id really like to retain the belt if I can.

It's the bolt pattern that matters. Plenty of GS series drum brake wheels should fit your pulley. Axles and spacers are easier to sort out. Also if the LS454 belt profile is 14M then LTD pulley will match and you may have a lot of Kawasaki wheels that could be fitted if they had the same bolt patterns.

Back to top

IP Logged

verslagen1

YaBB Moderator
ModSquad

Offline

Where there's a
will, I want to be
in it.

Posts: 28884
L.A. California
Gender: male

Re: Kawi 454 wheels
Reply #13 - 09/23/08 at 09:11:29

Savage belt spec

Bando 133U 14M 40.0

I guess that means 133 teeth, 14mm pitch and 40mm wide

That might mean that the belts are compatible.

And using a Kawa spocket with a Suzi belt might work.

I'd either be looking for just the sprocket or the whole wheel and sprocket if I were looking to do this mod (which I'm not cause I already have a set of ugly wheels).

Back to top

Versey's Place
Tech Section Index

IP Logged

ineclipse Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 51	Re: Kawi 454 wheels Reply #14 - 04/15/09 at 11:26:29 Think I'm making a payment on one of these today, at least the rear wheel, and the sprocket separately. I'll let you all know how it goes. Hopefully I can get it back to the owner if it doesn't work.
Back to top	IP Logged