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Reply #15 - 08/26/08 at 06:54:23
 
Bugaboo wrote on 08/25/08 at 18:17:36:
Thanks, Gentlemen.  White spacer mod, 150 jet, and start with 8 disks (maybe 10?)  I'll let you know how it goes.


Don't forget the pilot jet.  When installing a performance muffler that flows more air,  this will create a leaner condition, as mentioned already, and you will certainly need to adjust the pilot air screw but may also find that a larger jet is needed in order to get the proper fuel/air ratio.  It is the pilot circuit that causes most of the backfiring issues that we have.

-Low throttle range ... pilot circuit
-Mid throttle range ... needle circuit
-High throttle range ... main jet ciruit

All three need to be jetted and tuned for proper efficient running, and this will give you a smooth running engine that produces good power and yields the best mpg.
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Reply #16 - 08/26/08 at 13:51:06
 
markrider wrote on 08/26/08 at 05:33:21:
I used Dynojet Kit # DJ-3107 for the Suzuki Savage/S40.  The DynoJet main jet sizes in this kit do not match the typical size numbers for the Mikuni main jets.  The kit comes with the following main jet numbers:  DJ-138, DJ-140, DJ-142, DJ-144, and DJ-146.

After numerous runs, spark plug readings and phone conversations with the tech guys at DynoJet-the right main jet for my application (Supertrapp w 14 discs,  and K&N low restriction fabric panel filter, and an average of  800 ft. above sea level) is  main jet DJ-144.

The kit included a new fuel needle with an adjustable  E-clip, I used position  number 4 from the top of the needle.   I also used the white spacer without any modification-as recommended by the tech guys at Dynojet.

All I can say is that this set-up is right on for my application, the S40 runs as good, if not better than any of my prevous bikes.    I do have  a little experience with this carb tuning - (I have tuned the carbs for two of my previous motorcyles- 1990 Sportster with Python pipes, K&N  low restriction air filter, and Dyna Single fire ignition with high voltage Dyna coils, and a 1989 Honda GB500 on which I installed a Dynojet kit and a Supertrapp exhaust but I can't remember the details from back then).

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Mark, This helps a lot. I have the very same setup as you with the exception of the K&N. I have the stock filter. I too have the DJ144 Jet installed but I started with the 8 that came with the supertrapp and bought another 6 pack. I am up to 10 now and the bike runs great! I have not had a chance to pull the tank to check the plug and wanted to make sure I wasnt getting too lean. It sounds like I can probably add a few more discs if I choose to.My bike is probably going to run a little leaner here in Florida at sea level but more restriction on the air filter probably more than makes up for that. Do you still get a couple of pops when you completely close the throttle from 65mph or so? Do you have the stock pilot jet? How many turns out are you on the idle mixture screw?
         I too have rejetted many bikes and have had great luck with dyno-jet products. I have never had to change from the suggested settings but on my previous bikes (a sportster and a road king) it was easier to pull the plugs and check them. Thanks for the info!  Gazoo www.lubedealer.com/1lube

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Reply #17 - 08/27/08 at 06:00:02
 
Gazoo,
After drilling out the cap on the mixture screw, I turned it in until it was lightly seated, then I backed it out 1 1/2 turns.   Pilot jet is stock.
FYI- I road tested and read the plug with 8, 10, 12 and now 14 discs.    Now  with 14 discs, it feels, pulls and sounds a little like the old Sportster.  Very minmal popping upon deacceleration unless I  try to ride it like a S.O.B.
Bottom line-got on the Harley bandwagon back in 89. Got off it in 2004 because it got  too commercial, mainstream, and expensive for my taste.  Now at 55 years old I feel most happy with what I am riding.  Reminds me of the days when I started riding an old BSA 441 single-but without the kickstart. Mark
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Reply #18 - 08/27/08 at 18:03:08
 
Thanks, Lancer. I won't forget the pilot jet. The backfire may be bothersome to some, but I think it's a real hoot, and I'll miss it.
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Reply #19 - 09/20/08 at 18:51:50
 
I got sidetracked and haven't had a chance to report back on the new muffler.  

I've got 8 disks in the Supertrapp and really like the sound. They installed the 150 main jet and did the white spacer modification but  did not change the pilot jet. I've only ridden it maybe 75 miles back and forth to work.I do have a little backfiring, but not of the gunshot variety. More like small farts, which I don't mind.  The bike feels fine at low speeds but as I reach 40 mph, it feels like the motor is straining. It feels like I should be shifting into a higher gear, but by the time I reach 40 I'm out of gears. It also feels like it's running hot.  I've got yellowing of the pipe just in front of the heat shield. What's your diagnosis and what do you suggest?

I actually just bought a 2006 C50 Boulevard that I'll bring home next weekend. It is well-balanced and has a low center of gravity, so I like the way it feels, but what sold me is the fuel injection. I don't know whether I can bear to sell the Savage. We'll see how I feel after I get it running right.
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Reply #20 - 09/20/08 at 19:30:50
 
Bugaboo, Good to hear from you! I wondered what happened with your bike. If your pipe is yellowing you are running lean. you need to remove 2 discs from your muffler and see how it runs. I think the engine sound is normal. I dont know what you rode before but I had a Road king and the engine ran a lot slower (lower rpm) than the Savage.  Gazoo www.lubedealer.com/1lube
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Reply #21 - 09/20/08 at 21:42:52
 
Thanks. Actually, I've had my Savage for 8 or 9 years. It seems like it is revving higher and working harder than before the modifications.
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Reply #22 - 09/21/08 at 06:41:47
 
Bugaboo wrote on 09/20/08 at 21:42:52:
Thanks. Actually, I've had my Savage for 8 or 9 years. It seems like it is revving higher and working harder than before the modifications.



With the new muffler you are getting more sound from the exhaust and engine, and all that extra mechanical sound makes it SEEM like it is working harder.
from your previous post the engine is running fairly well but a little on the hot side.   You said that there are no hard core backfires so the pilot circuit is pretty good.  You could check the pilot air adjusting screw again just to make sure it is set perfectly.  It is easy to do; just ride the bike for 5-10 min to get it good and warm; then stop and with the engine at idle turn the screw R & L  1/4 turn each way and see if the rpm increases any.  If it does, go to the higher rpm setting, then turn another 1/4 turn in the same direction and see if it increases rpm any more.  And so on.   When you get to where the rpm is maxed out (you can turn the screw 1/8th or 1/16th turn to fine tune) then the pilot is set to the best place.  If at this point the engine rpm is higher than you would like then use the idle adjustment screw on the other side of the carb to lower the rpm to the desired speed ... about 1100 rpm.
Now to the midrange... needle adjustment.  I suspect that you may be running a bit lean in this range.  In order to adjust this, however, requires the carb to be removed and disassembled.  So, do you want to go there or not ?
Of course, as mentioned already, you can remove a couple of discs on the S/T and that will help to richen the mix slightly across the board.

Got to go for now.
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Reply #23 - 09/21/08 at 07:13:15
 
Thanks so much, gentlemen. Of course when re-jetting the carb, the dealership also installed the muffler and didn't return the instructions. It can't be too hard to figure out how to remove the disks but I'm going to ask anyway.  I'll go out to look at it shortly.
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Reply #24 - 09/21/08 at 08:44:01
 
Bugaboo, It is very easy to remove or add discs. If you will send me a PM with your e-mail address I will send you 2 pdf files of instructions that come with the muffler and you can save them on your computer or print them out. Gazoo www.lubedealer.com/1lube
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Reply #25 - 09/24/08 at 18:52:45
 
Removing 2 disks solved all my problems. I also think I prefer the sound with 6 disks, rather than 8. The bike feels great! Thanks for all your help.
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Reply #26 - 09/26/08 at 08:15:45
 
I just spent 15 minutes talking to Bruce at Supertrapp. He was a wealth of information, and didn't rush the call at all. With every change I mentioned, he talked about the importance of the carb being tuned right .
He sent me to Summit Racing for parts, saying that ordering directly from Trapp would cost more. I opted for a disk 6 pack, open end cap and the screws w/high temp lube. Total was $55.60 w/shipping.
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Reply #27 - 09/26/08 at 09:02:46
 
Dont be shy with the lube. I wasnt as careful as I needed to be, ran it a while, when I wanted to add disks, I had a BAD time working those bolts out, hat to replace all of them, as they were corkscrewed.I pached lube in the holes & on the screws, antisieze is your friend.

OR is there a different slickum for high temp? I hope Im not in trouble, cuz I want to pull a couple & see how it goes.
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Reply #28 - 09/26/08 at 09:24:02
 
Thanks for the tip Justin.
For reference, the disk screws sold by Trapp can be found here: http://www.cmsnl.com/products/stainless-bolts-std-6_0304047206/ (Euro store just for reference) and the high temp lube is included with the pack.
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Reply #29 - 09/26/08 at 10:19:26
 
Thanxalott. This is the kind of thing I use the "favorite Local Shop" for. Let them make a few bux.
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